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   From: robert@no.way   
      
   On Dec 26, 2023, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 09:07:56 -0800, Robert  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Dec 24, 2023, James wrote   
   > > (in article):   
   > >   
   > > > I didn't say he called God a liar, (or a thief, or adulterer, or   
   > > > drunkard, etc), rather Rom 7:19 says Paul kept sinning.   
   > > > So, who do I believe. God's word the Bible, or your opinions?   
   > > > Guess?   
   > > >   
   > > > Sincerely James   
   > > That spoke only to his state before he was Born Again.   
   >   
   > It doesn't read that way. Are you telling me God permitted Paul to   
   > write Scripture BEFORE he was born again? No, that was written when   
   > Paul was picked by Jesus to be an apostle to the nations.   
      
   That is the way the presumptuous speak, He was recounting his days as a Jew   
   since he was dealing directly with the Jews at that point. It is obvious that   
   you cannot understand it.   
   >   
   >   
   > > He was making a point   
   > > of what happens when you walk as a carnal man.   
   >   
   > Paul also talked about the spiritual man. Paul said he only wanted to   
   > do what was right all the time. (that was his spiritual nature), but   
   > because of his imperfect flesh, he couldn't stop from sinning. THAT   
   > HAPPENS TO US ALL:   
      
   The conscience of man speaks to him, if he listens, of doing what was right.   
   Add to that understanding the Mosaic Law of God, it only served to confirm   
   what was in the heart of man to do. Yet, they had not the inside power to do   
   it, and so they would fail at times, even knowing that they should not do it.   
      
   When you as a child lied, and knowingly lied, you felt the conviction of your   
   conscience, that which is built into all men. As you lied more frequently and   
   got away with it many times, then you seared your conscience so that it no   
   longer bothered you. Now magnify that many fold, and think of it in terms of   
   your religion. Before you became a JW, you followed another religion, one   
   that convicted you of sin, the sins of not following the Mosaic Law which you   
   were taught to follow. You had no power to follow it then because you were   
   under religious law. You were not born again. The evil one took advantage of   
   your ignorance and deceived you into following the ways of the JW, and in the   
   beginning it seemed to provide a salve for your sins. Yet that still was not   
   satisfying to your soul, but they persisted in your training until that   
   discomfort was seared, and now you willfully follow it, and deny all else,   
   you even feel fully comfortable lying about following all the scripture of   
   God. Just like the other JW’s. It does not matter to you how many different   
   versions of the Bible they come up with as being the “correct one” it is   
   always flawed, and mods need to be made, so many that they have to come up   
   with the “real next truthful” bible.   
      
   Problem is, note of you have been born again, and in none of you does the   
   Spirit of the Heavenly Father dwell. So none of you are of God. Romans eight.   
   Now you feel comfortable in sinning and living a life of sin feeling no shame   
   in your game.   
   >   
   > Ps 51:5, "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother   
   > conceived me." (NIV)   
      
   That is true of all men if, IF you read the correctly translated version   
   which says,...   
      
   “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.”   
   (Psa 51:5)   
      
   That is how you were shaped, and still live. Your mom, in her body of sin,   
   conceived you. Yet a small child does not have knowledge of their sinfull   
   ways until they are of age, the age of accountability. Which may vary in   
   years between one child and the next. And I, for one, can remember the first   
   time I told a lie, and knew what I did after I did it. I finally understood   
   what my parents were trying to show and teach me reading lies. At that point   
   I knew sin.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > And as such you will never be   
   > > allowed in His Kingdom. That is undeniable per the Word of God.   
   >   
   > See above.   
      
   See what? Your errors and deceitful ways? You err. Willfuly ignoring the   
   truth in order to be a “good JW”.   
   >   
   >   
   > Sincerely James,   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)