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From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com
On 27/12/2023 3:58 am, James wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:39:42 +1100, Michael Christ
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/12/2023 4:07 am, Robert wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 24, 2023, James wrote
>>> (in article):
>>>
>>>> I didn't say he called God a liar, (or a thief, or adulterer, or
>>>> drunkard, etc), rather Rom 7:19 says Paul kept sinning.
>>>> So, who do I believe. God's word the Bible, or your opinions?
>>>> Guess?
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely James
>>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> That spoke only to his state before he was Born Again.
>>
>> True, but may I speak here? Thank you.
>>
>> James does not believe that all sin is calling God a liar, and so he is
>> happy to remain in a "constantly sinning" state and religion. There is
>> one of the earthly things that people won't believe.
>>
>> Thus, 1 John 1:8. And another example is that sin is a lie, and a person
>> denies that they lie.
>>
>> Permit me elaborate, please: Paul was speaking of his present state, but
>> he is only referring to his physical state in regard to the law of sin
>> and death upon his body, the body of death. In Romans 7, Paul is dead to
>> the old husband and is delivered from the law and free of it, but his
>> physical body is still under the curse, or decree. "Thou shalt surely
>> die," as we all are.
>>
>> So, as you know, that is why he can say...
>>
>> Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in
>> Christ Jesus, who walk not [do not] after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
>> Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me
>> free from the law of sin and death.
>>
>> Free. Free = [do not]. Free and free indeed.
>
> So Paul didn't die? Where is he living? I would like to meet him.
>
> You see how silly things can get if you misinterpret. Paul is 'free
> from death' in the sense that he will live forever. That final second
> death (the lake of fire) will have no hold on those who walk in "the
> law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus".
>
>>
>> He might have to yield to the physical body's commands, but he is not
>> bound by them in his spirit.
>
> Yes, Paul's THOUGHTS were on spiritual things, but being imperfect he
> continued to sin.
>
> Job 14:4, "Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one!" (NIV)
>
>> Or, like this: the world forcefully demands
>> I love it, but my heart has chosen to love God.
>>
>> Song of songs 7:10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.
>>
>>
>>> He was making a point
>>> of what happens when you walk as a carnal man.
>>> And as such you will never be
>>> allowed in His Kingdom. That is undeniable per the Word of God.
>>
>> That is true. If the Lord did allow it, His Kingdom would end up like
>> this one.
>>
>> However, please listen carefully. Thank you. There is some good news for
>> the man who is in transition, the carnal man. If he is obedient, the
>> Lord will account that as righteousness unto that man under His grace
>> and set the day aside for his crucifixion and resurrection. Then he
>> really will be the righteousness from above; behold, God made all things
>> new (2 Cor 5:17); the new creature, the new man.
>>
>> Family God—that is a spiritual thing.
>>
>> Or, the earthly thing, Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my
>> Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
>>
>> Who is the Lord Jesus again? God, yes?
>
> God Jehovah (Yahweh) NO! They each are individuals. Yes, they believe
> the same. (John 10:30) But are not bodily the same:
>
> -- New King James
> Luke 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, remove this cup from
> Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.''
>
> Notice two separate WILLS.
>
> Joh 6:46, "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God;
> only he has seen the Father." (NIV)
>
> If Jesus is the Father, he lied.
>
> ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except
> God alone.""
>
> If Jesus is God, he lied.
>
> -- New King James
> Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
> formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting,
> You are God.
>
> God ALWAYS existed. He never died. Jesus died and was buried for 3
> days.
>
> -- Revised Standard
> Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the
> angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
>
> Two distinct minds here. One knew the "day and hour", the other did
> not.
>
>
>
>> And so, back to the spiritual
>> thing above.
>>
>> I have to qualify something here: obedience, as in God's standard, is
>> not the same as man's standard. God's standard is salted with grace. If
>> a man disobeys, that is not the end of the matter because God examines
>> the heart, tries the reins, and sees if that disobedience is the end of
>> the matter. That is like the son who initially said no in his heart but
>> later said yes and went and did what his father told him to do.
>>
>> Only God can see the end of the matter and what is obedience unto life
>> and what is not obedience unto death.
>>
>> It has been a wild ride of spiritual truth this festive season, let me
>> tell you! And there is more to say about the Lord Jesus Christ being the
>> Father. I hope I can find the time to post it today.
>>
>> Please listen carefully.
>>
>> Thank you.
James wrote:
> Please seriously consider God's written word above telling us that
> Jesus is not God. If you disagree, please explain all those verses to
> me showing that Jesus is God. Thanks.
You don't listen. All you do is white-knuckle grip your religious
doctrine, like so many others. How do you think I got out of it?
I let go.
Jesus is the Lord.
You need to trust Him.
Oh, for goodness sake, despite the fact that you don't listen but in
hope: what you and many others do not understand is that God not only
limited Himself exponentially by coming in the flesh but He also forsook
Himself.
He drove a stake of separation into Himself and it was extremely
painful. Remember God is "us" and has always been "us" but for the first
time in eternity He placed separation in Himself...for us.
He is much more glorious than any one of us can imagine.
1Co_2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither
have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared
for them that love him.
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