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   From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com   
      
   On 25/01/2024 12:39 pm, James wrote:   
   > On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 10:12:15 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >> On 21/01/2024 5:44 am, James wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 09:09:15 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 19/01/2024 5:50 am, James wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 13:59:43 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 18/01/2024 12:31 pm, James wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 07:53:15 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 18/01/2024 6:53 am, James wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 15:22:53 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 16/01/2024 12:01 pm, James wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 06:54:48 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/01/2024 3:47 am, James wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 08:05:29 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/01/2024 6:45 am, James wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 11:00:14 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/12/2023 6:35 am, James wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 09:45:06 +1100, Michael Christ   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is a sinner walking in deception, Jimmy?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It all depends.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On what?  "Constantly sinning?"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the circumstances. The apostle Paul was "constantly   
   sinning", yet   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was not walking in deception. So it all depends.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are talking rubbish.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually from your viewpoint, the Bible is talking rubbish.   
   Listen to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> the apostle Paul and learn: Ro 7:19,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do   
   not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to do--this I keep on doing." (NIV)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> You talk rubbish, Wanker James.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Since I quote the Bible in most of my answers, you are really   
   calling   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the Bible "rubbish". Not a very smart thing to do!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> If Paul could only do evil   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Paul didn't say that. He said he couldn't stop sinning. But of   
   course   
   >>>>>>>>>>> he did mountains of good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> there would be no New Testament books written   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> by him.  For the billioneth time, he was talking about his   
   physical   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> body, his body of death.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Negatrons. He was also talking present tense. Ask anyone with a   
   brain.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> So, no, you can't use Paul to try and justify yourself for   
   remaining a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> filthy, lying, whoring, self-righteous sinner, and neither can   
   all of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Christendom.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> So that's your judgment of me. Here is what Jesus says to you:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> “Stop judging that you may not be judged; 2 for with the   
   judgment you   
   >>>>>>>>>>> are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are   
   >>>>>>>>>>> measuring out, they will measure out to you."  (Mt 7:1,2)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely James,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Are you lonely among   
   >>>>>>>>>>> almost 8 billion people?   
   >>>>>>>>>>> 1/15/2024   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Go to jw.org   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> "So, no, you can't use Paul to try and justify yourself for   
   remaining a   
   >>>>>>>>>> filthy, lying, whoring, self-righteous sinner, and neither can all   
   of   
   >>>>>>>>>> Christendom."   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Now I know you enjoy copy and paste.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You have been told, Sincerely Constantly Sinning James.  :-).   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Sadly for you, I go by the Bible only.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Sinners don't go by the bible, they go by their sin.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Since the Bible CLEARLY says all men are sinners, then according to   
   >>>>>>> you NO ONE goes by the Bible. I can't accept that.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Good luck standing before the Lord saying, "All men are sinners," Buddy.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Which Lord? The Lord God or the Lord Jesus?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I could show you multitudes of Scriptures PROVING that, but you would   
   >>>>> just insist I am 'interpreting' them that way, even though some could   
   >>>>> be understood by Kindergarten students.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> They are two separate beings, but with the same beliefs.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Also, JW's don't believe in "the god of Good Luck": Isa 65:11,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "But you are among those forsaking Jehovah,   
   >>>>> Those forgetting my holy mountain,   
   >>>>> Those setting a table for the god of Good Luck,..."   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Good luck standing before God and saying, "All men are sinners," Buddy.   
   >>>   
   >>> God would be very happy. I would be pointed out what God wanted us to   
   >>> know:   
      
   >>> Ec 7:20, "There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right   
   >>> and never sins." (NIV)   
   >>   
   >> Pre-crucifixion.  There was a Saviour who came.   
   >   
   > Post-crucifixion.   
      
   So, no need to carry on flogging that dead horse Ec 7:20 ad nauseam   
   angle then, is there!   
      
      
      
   > 1 Jo 1:8, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and   
   > the truth is not in us." (KJV)   
   >   
   > That is present tense.   
   >   
   > If you claim you have no sin, thus notice: "we deceive ourselves, and   
   > the truth is not in us." (KJV)   
      
   So, sin away and become the truth!  Then you can claim you are   
   righteousness in your sin.   
      
   Good luck with that, Buddy.   
      
      
      
      
      
   >> No change.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> Ro 5:12, "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man,   
   >>> and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because   
   >>> all sinned" (NIV)   
   >>   
   >> Sinned.   
   >   
   > Already commented on this. (see previous postings)   
      
   So did I.  :-).   
      
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> No change.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Ro 7:19, "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I   
   >>> do not want to do--this I keep on doing." (NIV)   
   >>   
   >> Speaking of his physical state.   
   >   
   > What I "DO". Present tense.   
   > "the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing." (NIV)   
   > DOING. A present participle. Thus Paul was speaking about NOW.   
      
   Indeed, in his physical members, but not in his spiritual new nature.   
      
      
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