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   From: robert@no.way   
      
   On Mar 5, 2024, James wrote   
   (in article):   
      
   > Death: It's not complicated   
   >   
   > To many people, death is a mystery. There are 'near death   
   > experiences'. There are ghosts. There are religious teachings. So does   
   > anybody REALLY know for sure what is going on with death?   
   >   
   > YES, THERE REALLY AND TRUELY IS!   
   >   
   > Recall where you were at before you were born. You were non-existant.   
   > Believe it or not, the Bible tells us the same thing happens when you   
   > die. You are non-existant. Here are some Bible proofs:   
   >   
   > -- Revised Standard   
   > Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead   
   > know nothing, and they have no more reward; but the memory of them is   
   > lost.   
   >   
   > Yes, the dead "KNOW NOTHING". But there is more: Ps 146:3,4,   
   >   
   > 3. Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom   
   > there is no help.   
   > 4. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very   
   > day his thoughts perish.   
   >   
   > YES, A DEAD PERSON HAS HIS "THOUGHTS PERISH."   
   >   
   > Thus he can't be a ghost, etc. For he "knows nothing" because his   
   > "thoughts perish". (kind of hard to exist without thoughts, isn't it,)   
   >   
   > So if the dead are non-existant, what is their hope? The Bible tells   
   > us:   
   >   
   > -- King James   
   > Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also   
   > allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the   
   > just and unjust.   
   >   
   > Thus, the dead are in God's memory. And just like he helped Jesus to   
   > resurrect the decomposing Lazarus, He will do most all the dead that   
   > He chooses.   
   >   
   > Sincerely James   
      
   You might be sincerely James, but you are wrong.   
      
   Tents and tabernacles do not talk. When they corrode away or are otherwise   
   destroyed they are but dust in the ground.   
      
   From Dust, the body of Adam, to Dust, Adams body is all wore out.   
      
   What you forget is the very thing you have mentioned many times, that   
   being,...   
      
   Gen 2:7   
      
   7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into   
   his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.   
      
   The body, dust, an image of God. Inert, no life, until Jehovah breathed life   
   into him and then he became a living soul. Once created that soul never   
   ceases to live/exist.   
      
   2Pe 1:13-15   
      
   13 Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up   
   by putting you in remembrance;   
      
   14 Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord   
   Jesus Christ hath shewed me.   
      
   15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have   
   these things always in remembrance.   
      
   Here Peter speak of his death, which Jesus foretold, so he knew how he was to   
   die. Peter is putting ‘off’ his tabernacle, IOW’s leaving it behind.   
      
   Don’t believe that our body is a mere tent/tabernacle in which a person   
   dwells? Then read this.   
      
   2 Corinthians 5:1-9(KJV)   
      
   1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we   
   have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.   
      
   2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house   
   which is from heaven:   
      
   3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.   
      
   4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we   
   would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of   
   life.   
      
   5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath   
   given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.   
      
   6Thereforewe are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the   
   body, we are absent from the Lord:   
      
   7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)   
      
   8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and   
   to be present with the Lord.   
      
   9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of   
   him.   
      
   These scriptures totally dispel the false scenarios you lay out.   
      
   Furthermore, to show you that ones spirit/soul continues on and speaks you   
   have not only the story of Lazarus and Abraham but you also have this from   
   Paul,...   
      
   2Co 5:5-8   
      
   5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath   
   given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.   
      
   6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in   
   the body, we are absent from the Lord:   
      
   7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)   
      
   8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and   
   to be present with the Lord.   
      
   Therefore those that pass from this life to the next, and those that are dead   
   to christ as well, may yet speak.   
      
   Now,... you say that you believe all the Bible, so here you are facing the   
   truth of Gods word. Your tent becomes all wore out, unable to continue on,   
   yet your soul continues on and can speak, think, remember. As did the example   
   that Christ spoke of with Lazarus, the rich man and Abraham, Then do not   
   forget King Sam, who heard the words of Samual via the seer.   
      
   Is this not truth? Did not Jesus Himself die and go into the bowels of hell   
   and then was resurrected?   
      
   1Pe 3:18-20   
      
   18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that   
   he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by   
   the Spirit:   
      
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   19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;   
      
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   20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited   
   in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is,   
   eight souls were saved by water.   
      
   Again, you stated that you believe ALL the Bible,   
      
   Which would you rather? Be resurrected to life eternal, or judged and be sent   
   to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone for an eternity?   
      
   You say that you believe Jesus existed, good for you, the demons of hell   
   likewise believe and they know better than you the truth of the matter, yet   
   they are judged to eternal damnation. So mere acceptance of the fact that   
   Jesus existed benefits you not, nor anyone else. Any religious person can   
   claim that, but if you believe IN Jesus Christ and make him the master of   
   your live, are filled with the Holy Spirit, then it is that you will have   
   eternal life and total salvation. Then it is that you will NEVER die, but   
   pass from this life through the heavens to dwell with the Lord forever and   
   ever.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)