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   From: robert@no.way   
      
   On May 22, 2024, Steve Hayes wrote   
   (in article<8k9t4jlr15t3t3qhmj2jm9uq0gt47lq095@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Wed, 22 May 2024 19:32:48 -0500, Lane Larson   
   >   wrote:   
   >   
   > > Charismatic is a pejorative because the bobbleheads that walk around   
   > > with all the charisma and glitter have done nothing to earn their   
   > > positions of power it puts them in. I guess it means it is the opposite   
   > > of a meritocracy.   
   >   
   > Since no one seems to be talking about "charistamatic", I assume it   
   > was a typo, and changed the subject line.   
      
   It was a typo.   
   >   
   >   
   > "Charismatic" is pejorative to some people, for various reasons.   
   >   
   > It is not pejorative to other people for various different reasons.   
   >   
   > No doubt it would have been jejorative to Bishop Josephe Butler, who   
   > said to John Wesley:   
      
   I assume ‘ jejorative’ is likewise?   
   >   
   >   
   > Sir, the pretending to extraordinary revelations and gifts of the Holy   
   > Ghost is a horrid thing—a very horrid thing.   
   >   
   > Joseph Butler to John Wesley, 16 August 1739 (John Wesley Journal).   
      
   And pretending would be a fraudulent thing to do.   
   >   
   >   
   > Charismatic is an epithet often applied to Christians who do claim to   
   > have had extraordinary revelations and/or gifts of the Holy Spirit,   
   > and would be pejorative to those Christians who believe that the gifts   
   > of the Holy Spirit have ceased to be given.   
      
   Of which there is nothing scriptural to support that.   
   >   
   >   
   > It might also be seen to be perjorative by people who have encountered   
   > Christians who claim to have gifts of the Holy Spirit, but do not   
   > manifest fruits of the spirit.   
      
   Which was addressed indirectly in my original post in referencing   
   ‘carnal’ believers.   
   >   
   >   
   > If might also be seen to be pejorative be secular people who have   
   > encountered Christians who claim to be charismatic, but seem to adhere   
   > more strongly to right-wing authoritarian political views than to any   
   > spiritual beliefs.   
   >   
   > And so it goes.   
      
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