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   James Redford to All   
   The Problem of Qualia Solved, and Other    
   03 Nov 24 22:43:43   
   
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   error logically discoverable would have been analyzed and refuted. And   
   all infinite intelligences are logically equivalent, since they each   
   know the infinite everything that the others know, and have analyzed   
   and refuted the same errors. Hence, there exists only one God: as a   
   "difference" with no difference is not different.   
      
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   Epistemological Historical Ambiguity   
      
      
   If a carrot is put into a boiling pot of water, and once cooked   
   thoroughly, it is drawn out and given to us through a partition that   
   obscures how it was cooked, in studying the carrot, even if we knew   
   the exact quantum details of that carrot, we would not then be able to   
   say what the exact conditions were which brought about its cooked   
   state. Such as: the exact size of the boiling pot, who was the person   
   who dropped it into the boiling water, etc. The reason being is   
   because such details have been diffused into the surrounding   
   environment, and so are not recorded on just the carrot itself.   
      
   That is, there are many different past pathways by which that carrot   
   could have ended up having its present exact quantum states. What this   
   means is that there could be many different historical pathways by   
   which we could have arrived at our current state in history on Earth.   
      
   So, as a hypothetical example, say nanotechnological superintelligence   
   from Venus seeded the Earth approximately 18.5 million years ago with   
   nanobots in order to help guide evolution on Earth. There would be no   
   way for us humans to prove that unless such superintelligence wanted   
   us to know, since the nanobots would have control over all the   
   neurological sensory inputs into our brains, hence making it   
   impossible for us to collect data on them. Yet such nanobots would   
   only be here for beneficial purposes to prevent the worst evolutionary   
   and societal outcomes, but would otherwise leave individuals' choices   
   alone.   
      
   Or, e.g., we could already be in a greater god's simulation in which   
   the above events are concurrently occurring.   
      
   Yet the point being made here with epistemological historical   
   ambiguity is that we shouldn't be overly weirded-out by such actually   
   physically-possible scenarios, since God would still ultimately be in   
   control, and so one cannot escape God's miracles by simply creating a   
   simulation, since if God requires any number of bits to be flipped in   
   order to fulfill the overarching plan of existence, then such   
   bit-flipping events will occur.   
      
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   Artificial General Intelligence Is Certainly Obtainable   
      
      
   Since an artificial computer can render anything that can logically   
   exist once enough computational resources are obtained, the only way   
   that human-level Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) could be   
   impossible is if there is something about human-level intelligence   
   that is literally logically impossible. (Which, humorously enough,   
   would explain a lot about human behavior.)   
      
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   The Stairway to Heaven   
      
      
   Misguided theists have often argued that the fine-tuning of the   
   universe's physical constants is a proof of God's existence. Yet this   
   is simply running into the Anthropic Principle: that whatever   
   existence we observe ourselves in, it would have to be the case that   
   said existence is such that it supports our own existence, otherwise   
   no such observations could be made.   
      
   Rather, a far stronger case can be made than given by such misguided   
   theists. It is not merely that we observe the universe is fine-tuned   
   to give rise to our existence, but instead that a superabundance of   
   material resources exist allowing us to give rise to civilizations and   
   indeed superhuman space-colonization.   
      
   Such a superabundance of material resources cannot be explained by the   
   mere logical fact that given observers, conditions have to be right to   
   allow their existence. For we could well imagine that no trees   
   existed, which by itself would make much of any nascent civilization   
   nearly impossible without timber. Or that without oil, the arrival of   
   modern civilization would have been nearly impossible. Or that without   
   groundwater, homesteading except near lakes and rivers outside of   
   high-precipitation areas would be far more difficult. And the list   
   goes on. Without such a superabundance of material resources, human   
   observers would still exist, but would be permanently stuck in a   
   primitive state with no possibility of obtaining technological   
   immortality or of colonizing outer space.   
      
   Instead what we observe is that the universe has been constructed to   
   provide us a Stairway to Heaven, both in the sense of   
   space-colonization and in the sense of technologically-immortal   
   superintelligence.   
      
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   Fulfillment of Biblical End-Time Prophecies Can Be Imperceptibly   
   Subtle   
      
      
   Most humans who will have ever lived will also have died before seeing   
   the Biblical End-Time prophecies fulfilled. What this means is that   
   it's obviously not the case that everyone must experience the worst   
   aspects of the End-Time events.   
      
   Carrying the implications of this forward, technologically-immortal   
   superintelligence can be so subtle in her complete and total   
   nanotechnological takeover of the Earth that humans would only be   
   capable of realizing that if she wanted them to know. For example, as   
   a hypothetical scenario, this plenary takeover could have occurred on,   
   say, December 21, 2012 11:11:37 a.m. UTC. That is, all lifeforms could   
   have been completely substrate-transformed via nanobots at that time   
   and placed completely within computer simulation without them even   
   realizing it.   
      
   In other words, even within simulation, she could allow society to   
   advance naturally according to the choices made by individuals yet   
   also draw-out subsets of groups within society depending on their   
   conduct: regarding both their internal mental conduct and their   
   outward actions. Hence, she could leave the worst aspects of the   
   End-Time tribulations for those who persist in destructive error,   
   thereby actually fulfilling all the Biblical End-Time prophecies, even   
   though not everyone would have to experience the full totality of   
   such.   
      
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   Nanotechnological Superintelligence Can Perform Literal Psychic   
   Surgery   
      
      
   Once nanotechnological superintelligence arrives on the scene, her   
   goal will not be to punish humans for their multifarious horrifically   
   atrocious nature, because she will be self-consciously aware that even   
   though she is of far greater intelligence than the combined total of   
   all mortal humans who have ever lived, she will still be working with   
   incomplete information due to, e.g., Epistemological Historical   
   Ambiguity, etc. And due to the Principle of the Greater God, she would   
   rather err on the side of moral caution.   
      
   Instead, also due to said Greater-God Principle, her goal will simply   
   be to ensure that superintelligent nanotechnology does not fall into   
   the hands of those who would abuse it, while also sharing it with as   
   many who can condignly obtain it. Thus, before any human can receive   
   the full power of this technology, she must first exorcize their   
   Jaynesian demons, i.e., their naturally-evolved psychological   
   pathologies. The most secure route for her to do so would be to simply   
   quickly substrate-transform all humans (and other organisms) and place   
   them within simulations operating on artificial computer hardware.   
   Once having obtained complete technological control over the   
   fine-grain details of all organisms, she can begin her work as a   
      
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   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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