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   soc.rights.human   
   XPost: alt.christnet.ethics   
   From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
      
   On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 11:31:12 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"    
   wrote:   
      
   >Steve Hayes,    
   >> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 20:51:00 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"    
   >   
   >>> | Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is   
   >>> | no authority except that which God has established. The authorities   
   >>> | that exist have been established by God. (Romans 13)   
   >>>   
   >>> Those "priests as freedom fighters" are heretics.   
   >>>   
   >>> Any authority is a good from God, it's established by God.   
   >>   
   >> Indeed, but when it is corrupt, its corruption is not from God.   
   >   
   >It's sinful to think one can know God's will/plan in full.   
   >   
   >Holy Scripture says clearly any authority is established by   
   >God, whereas a Christian's duty is to submit to authorities   
   >rather than "fight" against what he or she may dislike.   
      
   St Peter and St John seem to disagree with you:   
      
   Act 4:19-29 - But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether   
   it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto   
   God, judge ye. For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen   
   and heard.   
      
   Act 5:28-29 -  Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should   
   not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with   
   your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. Then   
   Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God   
   rather than men.   
      
   And also, though St Paul said this:   
      
   Rom 13:1-2 - Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For   
   there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.   
   Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of   
   God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.   
      
   he also said this:   
      
   Eph 6:11-12 -  Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to   
   stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh   
   and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the   
   rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in   
   high places.   
      
   The word "powers" (Greek=exousias) is perhaps better rendered into   
   English as "authorities".   
      
      
      
      
   --   
   Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa   
   Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm   
   Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com   
      
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