XPost: alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox, alt.politics.religion,   
   soc.rights.human   
   XPost: alt.christnet.ethics   
   From: dr.who@nunur.biz   
      
   On Mar 7, 2025, Steve Hayes wrote   
   (Message-ID:<28rmsj1rmth8p7p02nq6d9msl77cuo6lld@4ax.com>):   
      
   > On Thu, 06 Mar 2025 20:39:46 -0800, Dr.Who  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Mar 6, 2025, Steve Hayes wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:<5boksj1imumpcjtdj7c703oficashcd5ub@4ax.com>):   
   > >   
   > > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2025 19:54:12 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"   
   > > > wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > Steve Hayes,   
   > > > > > On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 11:31:12 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"    
   > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Any authority is a good from God, it's established by God.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Indeed, but when it is corrupt, its corruption is not from God.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > It's sinful to think one can know God's will/plan in full.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Holy Scripture says clearly any authority is established by   
   > > > > > > God, whereas a Christian's duty is to submit to authorities   
   > > > > > > rather than "fight" against what he or she may dislike.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > St Peter and St John seem to disagree with you:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Act 4:19-29 - But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether   
   > > > > > it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto   
   > > > > > God, judge ye. For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen   
   > > > > > and heard.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Act 5:28-29 - Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should   
   > > > > > not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with   
   > > > > > your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. Then   
   > > > > > Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God   
   > > > > > rather than men.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Here "men" is generic, while "authorities" is more specific,   
   > > > > and since an authority is a gift from God, obendience to God   
   > > > > implies obendience to what is established by God.   
   > > >   
   > > > When Enver Hoxha was the ruler of Albania he gave a similar order.   
   > > > Some did not obey it and continued to worship God. Were they thereby   
   > > > wrongly disobeying what God had established?   
   > >   
   > > He banned places of worship such as mosques and churches. He did not ban   
   > > worshipping gods.   
   >   
   > Enver Hoxha banned *talking* about gods, just as those mentioned in   
   > the book of Acts of the Apostles did to St Peter and St John. Freedom   
   > of thought, yes. Freedom of speech, no.   
      
   In the Book of Acts it was the religious leaders that ‘banned’ Peter and   
   John. In what way was that similar to Enver? After all, false prophets are   
   false prophets.   
      
   Enver Hoxha desired to ban thought as well as freedom of speech. Declaring   
   that the religion of atheism was the theme of the day. Although he may not   
   have put it in those terms, yet atheism is a belief system.   
      
   >   
   > Teachers used to ask children at school what they had been eating at   
   > home during Lent and Ramadan, and passed this information on to the   
   > enforcement authorities.   
      
   I was unaware of that. He obviously failed at accomplishing his goals as the   
   country allowed religion after his death. He aspired to be a leader like Marx   
      
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