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   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   oxtail :   
      
   [the "next world" in the Apannaka Sutta]   
      
   > >> You are trying to boil the cookbook to make a soup out of it.   
      
   Catawumpus :   
      
   >>      I'm quoting the recipe and showing you beets appear on the   
   >> list of ingredients.  You hate beets.  But rather than   
   >> choosing a different recipe, you claim this one doesn't mention   
   >> them.   
      
   >>      I remind you they're explicitly listed.  You say I'm being   
   >> literal-minded.  I note that even if you call the recipe   
   >> allegorical, _it still has beets_, so you were still wrong when   
   >> you said they weren't there.   
      
   >>      You reply that the recipe doesn't require them.  I respond   
   >> that although making them optional permits you to cook the   
   >> soup without using them, it doesn't remove them from the listed   
   >> ingredients.   
      
   >>      Unwilling to concede, you deny beets are truly part of the   
   >> recipe.  But I provide quotes showing you it asserts they   
   >> belong in "the true soup" and states that a person who includes   
   >> them is doing "right cooking."   
      
   >>      You ask if I really believe in the recipe.  I point out we   
   >> are debating about the ingredients it uses, not whether to   
   >> believe what it says, and remind you yet again that it includes   
   >> beets, despite your denial.   
      
   >>      You say the writer didn't really care about beets.  I once   
   >> again quote the recipe, demonstrating that she not only   
   >> included beets but firmly insisted on their truth and rightness.   
      
   >>      Now you say I'm boiling the cookbook.  Not so:  I'm simply   
   >> showing you beets are a part of the recipe we've been   
   >> discussing.  When you argue they aren't in it, you're obviously   
   >> wrong.   
      
   oxtail:   
      
   > You are arguing that tomato soup does not have to have tomato so long   
   > as it is garnished with basil.   
      
        You are full of crap, as usual.  I didn't name any soup in   
   particular; I said your hatred of beets forced you to deny   
   they're in the recipe even though they're listed along with the   
   other ingredients.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)