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   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   Catawumpus wrote:   
      
   > oxtail :   
   >   
   >> Are you familiar with the difference between holding and dictum?   
   >   
   >      Not until now.  Thank you for explaining who the lawyer is   
   > here.   
   >   
   >      Getting back to the topic, the Apannaka Sutta pictures the   
   > Buddha teaching "There is actually the next world," saying "There is   
   > actually the next world" is right speech, calling the proposition "There   
   > is actually the next world" the true dhamma, distinguishing between good   
   > and bad destinations, so on and so forth.  Therefore your idea it limits   
   > him to the "safe-bet" arguments he also provides is false.  Seems like   
   > you didn't read the thing.   
      
      
   Listen to the translator, please.   
      
   [quote]   
   It is noteworthy that the arguments in A2 and B2 are not safe-bet   
   arguments, for they assume that A is wrong and B is right. Whether these   
   arguments date from the Buddha or were added at a later date, no one   
   knows.   
   [/quote]   
   http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.060.than.html   
      
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