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   From: hollywoodlee@gmail.com   
      
   On 8/13/2010 8:07 PM, Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   > On Aug 13, 9:29 pm, Hollywood Lee  wrote:   
   >> On 8/13/2010 4:29 PM, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> I reject your extreme yoking of suffering to awakening. People can have   
   very different casts of mind   
   >>> and different skillful attributes. Yes, a catastrophic psychic shock can   
   arrest the mad mind, but so   
   >>> can other things. And I reject your characterisation of self/ego as a   
   disease, seeing it more as a   
   >>> natural and necessary pre-metamorphic (chrysalis) stage in the development   
   of the mind --to be left   
   >>> behind, certainly, but not sacrificed or martyred.   
   >>   
   >> Yeah, this resonates with my experience.   
   > Yes, there are many gateways, but did you wishfully think you could   
   > escape suffering?   
      
   No, though I'm curious why such an odd question would arise in your   
   thinking.   
      
   > As for left vs. Sacrificed, you're still playing around with thought   
   > forms. Just do it.   
      
   You first.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)