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   From: hollywoodlee@gmail.com   
      
   On 8/13/2010 8:19 PM, Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   > On Aug 13, 10:12 pm, Hollywood Lee  wrote:   
   >> On 8/13/2010 8:07 PM, Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Aug 13, 9:29 pm, Hollywood Lee    wrote:   
   >>>> On 8/13/2010 4:29 PM, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>> I reject your extreme yoking of suffering to awakening. People can have   
   very different casts of mind   
   >>>>> and different skillful attributes. Yes, a catastrophic psychic shock can   
   arrest the mad mind, but so   
   >>>>> can other things. And I reject your characterisation of self/ego as a   
   disease, seeing it more as a   
   >>>>> natural and necessary pre-metamorphic (chrysalis) stage in the   
   development of the mind --to be left   
   >>>>> behind, certainly, but not sacrificed or martyred.   
   >>   
   >>>> Yeah, this resonates with my experience.   
   >>> Yes, there are many gateways, but did you wishfully think you could   
   >>> escape suffering?   
   >>   
   >> No, though I'm curious why such an odd question would arise in your   
   >> thinking.   
   >>   
   >>> As for left vs. Sacrificed, you're still playing around with thought   
   >>> forms. Just do it.   
   >>   
   >> You first.   
   >   
   > Lee, you're arguing, aren't you?   
      
   Jigme, your avoiding, aren't you?   
      
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