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   From: hollywoodlee@gmail.com   
      
   On 8/13/2010 8:23 PM, Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   > On Aug 13, 10:20 pm, Hollywood Lee  wrote:   
   >> On 8/13/2010 8:19 PM, Jigme Dorje wrote:   
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   >>   
   >>   
   >>> On Aug 13, 10:12 pm, Hollywood Lee    wrote:   
   >>>> On 8/13/2010 8:07 PM, Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>> On Aug 13, 9:29 pm, Hollywood Lee      wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 8/13/2010 4:29 PM, brian mitchell wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> I reject your extreme yoking of suffering to awakening. People can   
   have very different casts of mind   
   >>>>>>> and different skillful attributes. Yes, a catastrophic psychic shock   
   can arrest the mad mind, but so   
   >>>>>>> can other things. And I reject your characterisation of self/ego as a   
   disease, seeing it more as a   
   >>>>>>> natural and necessary pre-metamorphic (chrysalis) stage in the   
   development of the mind --to be left   
   >>>>>>> behind, certainly, but not sacrificed or martyred.   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Yeah, this resonates with my experience.   
   >>>>> Yes, there are many gateways, but did you wishfully think you could   
   >>>>> escape suffering?   
   >>   
   >>>> No, though I'm curious why such an odd question would arise in your   
   >>>> thinking.   
   >>   
   >>>>> As for left vs. Sacrificed, you're still playing around with thought   
   >>>>> forms. Just do it.   
   >>   
   >>>> You first.   
   >>   
   >>> Lee, you're arguing, aren't you?   
   >>   
   >> Jigme, your avoiding, aren't you?   
   > No.   
      
   then ditto   
      
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