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XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen
XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
From: oxtail@nowhere.org
Jigme Dorje wrote:
> On Aug 13, 3:47 pm, oxtail wrote:
>> Keynes wrote:
>> > oxtail wrote:
>> >>Keynes wrote:
>> >>> oxtail wrote:
>> >>>>Keynes wrote:
>> >>>>> oxtail wrote:
>> >>>>>>zenworm wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Aug 13, 7:32 am, Catawumpus wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Jigme Dorje :
>>
>> >>>>>>>> >> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.
>>
>> >>>>>>>> Definitely idiotic of you to think your little circle
>> >>>>>>>> adds
>> >>>>>>>> up to everyone.
>>
>> >>>>>>>> > > I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person
>> >>>>>>>> > > who shouts the loudest wins the argument. But it happens
>> >>>>>>>> > > here too, without the shouting. The means justify the
>> >>>>>>>> > > ends, and if you have to twist the oher person's words,
>> >>>>>>>> > > throw around invalid arguments to confuse the issue and
>> >>>>>>>> > > misrepresent the others positions, that's ok, just as long
>> >>>>>>>> > > as you get the last word in - it's a battle of attrition.
>>
>> >>>>>>>> Funny thing is that I just lately handed you the last
>> >>>>>>>> word
>> >>>>>>>> in roughly half-a-dozen places and returned to politely
>> >>>>>>>> ignoring you -- same thing I was doing before you grabbed me
>> >>>>>>>> by the arm and started preaching. Result: only a day or so
>> >>>>>>>> later you're back again, following-up my posts in order to
>> >>>>>>>> kick and fuss.
>>
>> >>>>>>>> zenworm :
>>
>> >>>>>>>> > Perhaps Catawumpus is
>> >>>>>>>> > a woman who has lost a child
>> >>>>>>>> > and suffers from the anger of grief.
>>
>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps zenworm speculates about me because he's
>> >>>>>>>> unable to
>> >>>>>>>> address what I've said. When last heard from he was busy
>> >>>>>>>> making excuses, stamping his feet, and referring to examples
>> >>>>>>>> he hadn't given.
>>
>> >>>>>>>> -- Catawumpus
>>
>> >>>>>>> Perhaps you are terminally ill?
>>
>> >>>>>>> Is there anything this worm can do to help?
>>
>> >>>>>>> It is said 'time heals all wounds',
>> >>>>>>> but that does not seem true.
>> >>>>>>> All that seems to happen in time
>> >>>>>>> is learning to live with wounds and scars. That ownership
>> >>>>>>> causes suffering.
>> >>>>>>> The only way to end suffering is to 'put down'* the identity
>> >>>>>>> that resists this Moment. (by ownership of expectations and
>> >>>>>>> other things) The emotional anguish of refusing accepting. is
>> >>>>>>> sometimes displaced into argumentativeness...
>> >>>>>>> Cater(wumpus)wauling?
>>
>> >>>>>>> *put down:
>> >>>>>>> - to release hold of something held
>> >>>>>>> as in placing 'it' on the ground so as to divest oneself of it.
>> >>>>>>> - to put a suffering beast out of its misery as in
>> >>>>>>> euthanasia/mercy killing.
>> >>>>>>> - to bring attention to a feature having a less than desirable
>> >>>>>>> result on behalf of its owner.
>>
>> >>>>>>> Put it all down.
>>
>> >>>>>>> "This katana is sharp.
>> >>>>>>> The long years of its use
>> >>>>>>> have made these helping hands strong." - Nemo Toda
>>
>> >>>>>>> ^~
>>
>> >>>>>>Let's see why this is not skillful enough. Anyone?
>>
>> >>>>> One can't change his mind by means of his mind. The mind road is
>> >>>>> circular just going around and around.
>>
>> >>>>> Meditation is a wordless way to investigate. Is or is-not misses
>> >>>>> the point.
>>
>> >>>>> There is no useful substitute for mindful present attention.
>>
>> >>>>And?
>>
>> >>> There's nowhere to go and no time to get there. What are you
>> >>> looking for?
>>
>> >>> Explanations are not forthcoming.
>>
>> >>Are you skillful at listening to other people?
>>
>> > Do you have an opinion on that?
>>
>> Not at the moment.
>> Should we pay more attention to what he is saying?
>>
>
> The space around it.
Is that why you are telling him to jump?
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