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   XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen   
   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   Jigme Dorje wrote:   
      
   > On Aug 14, 10:18 am, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >> > On Aug 13, 3:47 pm, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> Keynes wrote:   
   >> >> > oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> >>Keynes wrote:   
   >> >> >>> oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> >>>>Keynes wrote:   
   >> >> >>>>> oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> >>>>>>zenworm wrote:   
   >> >> >>>>>>> On Aug 13, 7:32 am, Catawumpus    
   >> >> >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> Jigme Dorje :   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> >> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>>>      Definitely idiotic of you to think your little   
   >> >> >>>>>>>>      circle adds   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> up to everyone.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > > I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > > person who shouts the loudest wins the argument. But it   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > > happens here too, without the shouting. The means   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > > justify the ends, and if you have to twist the oher   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > > person's words, throw around invalid arguments to   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > > confuse the issue and misrepresent the others   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > > positions, that's ok, just as long as you get the last   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > > word in - it's a battle of attrition.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>>>      Funny thing is that I just lately handed you the   
   >> >> >>>>>>>>      last word   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> in roughly half-a-dozen places and returned to politely   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> ignoring you -- same thing I was doing before you grabbed   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> me by the arm and started preaching.  Result:  only a day   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> or so later you're back again, following-up my posts in   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> order to kick and fuss.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> zenworm :   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > Perhaps Catawumpus is   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > a woman who has lost a child   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> > and suffers from the anger of grief.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>>>      Perhaps zenworm speculates about me because he's   
   >> >> >>>>>>>>      unable to   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> address what I've said.  When last heard from he was busy   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> making excuses, stamping his feet, and referring to   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> examples he hadn't given.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>>> -- Catawumpus   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>> Perhaps you are terminally ill?   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>> Is there anything this worm can do to help?   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>> It is said 'time heals all wounds',   
   >> >> >>>>>>> but that does not seem true.   
   >> >> >>>>>>> All that seems to happen in time   
   >> >> >>>>>>> is learning to live with wounds and scars. That ownership   
   >> >> >>>>>>> causes suffering.   
   >> >> >>>>>>> The only way to end suffering is to 'put down'* the identity   
   >> >> >>>>>>> that resists this Moment. (by ownership of expectations and   
   >> >> >>>>>>> other things) The emotional anguish of refusing accepting.   
   >> >> >>>>>>> is sometimes displaced into argumentativeness...   
   >> >> >>>>>>> Cater(wumpus)wauling?   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>> *put down:   
   >> >> >>>>>>> - to release hold of something held   
   >> >> >>>>>>> as in placing 'it' on the ground so as to divest oneself of   
   >> >> >>>>>>> it. - to put a suffering beast out of its misery as in   
   >> >> >>>>>>> euthanasia/mercy killing.   
   >> >> >>>>>>> - to bring attention to a feature having a less than   
   >> >> >>>>>>> desirable result on behalf of its owner.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>> Put it all down.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>> "This katana is sharp.   
   >> >> >>>>>>> The long years of its use   
   >> >> >>>>>>> have made these helping hands strong." - Nemo Toda   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>> ^~   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>>>Let's see why this is not skillful enough. Anyone?   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> One can't change his mind by means of his mind. The mind road   
   >> >> >>>>> is circular just going around and around.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> Meditation is a wordless way to investigate. Is or is-not   
   >> >> >>>>> misses the point.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> There is no useful substitute for mindful present attention.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>And?   
   >>   
   >> >> >>> There's nowhere to go and no time to get there. What are you   
   >> >> >>> looking for?   
   >>   
   >> >> >>> Explanations are not forthcoming.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>Are you skillful at listening to other people?   
   >>   
   >> >> > Do you have an opinion on that?   
   >>   
   >> >> Not at the moment.   
   >> >> Should we pay more attention to what he is saying?   
   >>   
   >> > The space around it.   
   >>   
   >> Is that why you are telling him to jump?   
   >>   
   >   
   > I am telling him nothing.   
      
      
   Not even about Poconos?   
      
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