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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   zenworm wrote:   
      
   > On Aug 14, 9:36 am, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> zenworm wrote:   
   >> > On Aug 13, 1:14 pm, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >> >> > On Aug 13, 12:41 pm, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> >> Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >> >> >> > On Aug 13, 11:59 am, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >> > "Awakening" of course is only a word, and is usually used as   
   >> >> >> >> > one of those words people say to make an artificial goal,   
   >> >> >> >> > and to invent excuses to push it further away from them into   
   >> >> >> >> > the future. In fact, it is right here and now.  We may all   
   >> >> >> >> > experience glimpses of it. It really isn't anything so   
   >> >> >> >> > special; it's quite ordinary, not melodramatic in the least.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >> > But neither is it superficial, part of the horizontal   
   >> >> >> >> > experience of life. It is part of the vertical experience,   
   >> >> >> >> > that of depth, and so it can only be experienced when one is   
   >> >> >> >> > wearied of the horizontal. When you are thoroughly tired of   
   >> >> >> >> > suffering, of the charade that life can bring you   
   >> >> >> >> > satisfaction on the level of surface, you will experience   
   >> >> >> >> > the "big bang," or its opposite, the big implosion into   
   >> >> >> >> > emptiness.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >> I have to agree with Tang   
   >> >> >> >> that you are not there yet.   
   >> >> >> >> But you do appear to have practiced   
   >> >> >> >> talking to yourself a lot.   
   >> >> >> >> Do you work with koans?   
   >>   
   >> >> >> > Your practice changes. It becomes more direct.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> Hopefully from soliloquy to public cases.   
   >>   
   >> >> > Beyond both.   
   >>   
   >> >> Good for you.   
   >> >> Is a mountain just a mountain, yet?   
   >>   
   >> > never a mountain   
   >> > always a mountain   
   >> > this Moment   
   >> > That   
   >>   
   >> > ^~   
   >>   
   >> What mountain?   
   >> Poconos?   
   >   
   >   
   > "Old Baldy"   
   >   
   > ^~   
      
      
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