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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   Evelyn wrote:   
      
   >   
   > "zenworm"  wrote in message   
   > news:1d2d9683-eb09-48f3-b085-e56165f60ae0@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...   
   >   
   >> On Aug 12, 8:43 pm, Jigme Dorje  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Aug 12, 3:20 pm, Catawumpus  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> > halfawake :   
   >>>   
   >>> > > I was asserting something more than that.  I didn't say puritans   
   >>> were   
   >>>   
   >>> >      You argued "puritans in every tradition reject sensory and   
   >>> > physical experience" generally "in favor of purely mental   
   >>> > experience from the neck up."  But that ain't so.  A puritan is   
   >>> > "a person with censorious moral beliefs, esp. about   
   >>> > pleasure and sex."  Puritans don't object to cold showers, hard   
   >>> > work, or other forms of physical experience in keeping with   
   >>> > their morality.  Ergo you understand puritanism as poorly as do   
   >>> > the other stuff you've discussed.   
   >>>   
   >>> > -- Catawumpus   
   >>>   
   >>> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.   
   >>>   
   >>> I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who shouts   
   >>> the loudest wins the argument.   
   >>>   
   >>> But it happens here too, without the shouting. The means justify the   
   >>> ends, and if you have to twist the other person's words, throw around   
   >>> invalid arguments to confuse the issue and misrepresent the others'   
   >>> positions, that's ok, just as long as you get the last word in - it's   
   >>> a battle of attrition.   
   >>>   
   >>> Senator Joseph McCarthy won on those terms too. Sure, everybody walked   
   >>> out shaking their heads about him too, but at least he got the   
   >>> satisfaction of getting in the last word.   
   >>>   
   >>> Halfawake, give him his imaginary prize, and leave him to his misery.   
   >>> No doubt the man's an overweight geek with bad teeth, a puss that only   
   >>> a motherfucker could love and probably still a virgin. Have mercy and   
   >>> let him have his little victory.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Perhaps Catawumpus is   
   >> a woman who has lost a child   
   >> and suffers from the anger of grief.   
   >>   
   >> ^~   
   >   
   >   
   > There is something very angry about him/her that simply cancels out the   
   > possibility of rational discussion.   
   >   
      
   It's not the anger that cancels it out for me.  It is just that he will   
   repeat his assertions and completely ignore anything you say to the   
   contrary.  It's a great tactic if you don't want to get anywhere.   
      
   Robert   
      
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