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   From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com   
      
   "halfawake"  wrote in message   
   news:i479b1$g54$3@news.eternal-september.org...   
   > Evelyn wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >> "zenworm"  wrote in message   
   >> news:1d2d9683-eb09-48f3-b085-e56165f60ae0@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...   
   >>   
   >>> On Aug 12, 8:43 pm, Jigme Dorje  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Aug 12, 3:20 pm, Catawumpus  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > halfawake :   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > > I was asserting something more than that.  I didn't say puritans   
   >>>> were   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >      You argued "puritans in every tradition reject sensory and   
   >>>> > physical experience" generally "in favor of purely mental   
   >>>> > experience from the neck up."  But that ain't so.  A puritan is   
   >>>> > "a person with censorious moral beliefs, esp. about   
   >>>> > pleasure and sex."  Puritans don't object to cold showers, hard   
   >>>> > work, or other forms of physical experience in keeping with   
   >>>> > their morality.  Ergo you understand puritanism as poorly as do   
   >>>> > the other stuff you've discussed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > -- Catawumpus   
   >>>>   
   >>>> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who shouts   
   >>>> the loudest wins the argument.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But it happens here too, without the shouting. The means justify the   
   >>>> ends, and if you have to twist the other person's words, throw around   
   >>>> invalid arguments to confuse the issue and misrepresent the others'   
   >>>> positions, that's ok, just as long as you get the last word in - it's   
   >>>> a battle of attrition.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Senator Joseph McCarthy won on those terms too. Sure, everybody walked   
   >>>> out shaking their heads about him too, but at least he got the   
   >>>> satisfaction of getting in the last word.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Halfawake, give him his imaginary prize, and leave him to his misery.   
   >>>> No doubt the man's an overweight geek with bad teeth, a puss that only   
   >>>> a motherfucker could love and probably still a virgin. Have mercy and   
   >>>> let him have his little victory.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Perhaps Catawumpus is   
   >>> a woman who has lost a child   
   >>> and suffers from the anger of grief.   
   >>>   
   >>> ^~   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> There is something very angry about him/her that simply cancels out the   
   >> possibility of rational discussion.   
   >>   
   >   
   > It's not the anger that cancels it out for me.  It is just that he will   
   > repeat his assertions and completely ignore anything you say to the   
   > contrary.  It's a great tactic if you don't want to get anywhere.   
   >   
   > Robert   
   >   
   > = = = = = = = =   
      
      
   Or if you don't have any more "ammo" than that..........   
      
   --   
   Best Regards,   
   Evelyn   
      
   In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market, where one   
   may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss.  - Milarepa   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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