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XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen
XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
From: niunian@ymail.com
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:09:38 -0700 (PDT), Jigme Dorje
wrote:
>On Aug 14, 8:36?pm, "Evelyn" wrote:
>> "Nobody in Particular" wrote in messagen
ws:i47as0$hlp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>
>>
>> > halfawake wrote:
>>
>> >> Evelyn wrote:
>>
>> >>> "zenworm" wrote in message
>> >>>news:1d2d9683-eb09-48f3-b085-e56165f60ae0@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>>> On Aug 12, 8:43 pm, Jigme Dorje wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> On Aug 12, 3:20 pm, Catawumpus wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> > halfawake :
>>
>> >>>>> > > I was asserting something more than that. ?I didn't say puritans
>> >>>>> were
>>
>> >>>>> > ? ? ?You argued "puritans in every tradition reject sensory and
>> >>>>> > physical experience" generally "in favor of purely mental
>> >>>>> > experience from the neck up." ?But that ain't so. ?A puritan is
>> >>>>> > "a person with censorious moral beliefs, esp. about
>> >>>>> > pleasure and sex." ?Puritans don't object to cold showers, hard
>> >>>>> > work, or other forms of physical experience in keeping with
>> >>>>> > their morality. ?Ergo you understand puritanism as poorly as do
>> >>>>> > the other stuff you've discussed.
>>
>> >>>>> > -- Catawumpus
>>
>> >>>>> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.
>>
>> >>>>> I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who shouts
>> >>>>> the loudest wins the argument.
>>
>> >>>>> But it happens here too, without the shouting. The means justify the
>> >>>>> ends, and if you have to twist the other person's words, throw around
>> >>>>> invalid arguments to confuse the issue and misrepresent the others'
>> >>>>> positions, that's ok, just as long as you get the last word in - it's
>> >>>>> a battle of attrition.
>>
>> >>>>> Senator Joseph McCarthy won on those terms too. Sure, everybody walked
>> >>>>> out shaking their heads about him too, but at least he got the
>> >>>>> satisfaction of getting in the last word.
>>
>> >>>>> Halfawake, give him his imaginary prize, and leave him to his misery.
>> >>>>> No doubt the man's an overweight geek with bad teeth, a puss that only
>> >>>>> a motherfucker could love and probably still a virgin. Have mercy and
>> >>>>> let him have his little victory.
>>
>> >>>> Perhaps Catawumpus is
>> >>>> a woman who has lost a child
>> >>>> and suffers from the anger of grief.
>>
>> >>>> ^~
>>
>> >>> There is something very angry about him/her that simply cancels out the
>> >>> possibility of rational discussion.
>>
>> >> It's not the anger that cancels it out for me. ?It is just that he will
>> >> repeat his assertions and completely ignore anything you say to the
>> >> contrary. ?It's a great tactic if you don't want to get anywhere.
>>
>> > It's an ego thing. ?He must always be right. ?If you don't acknowledge his
>> > supposed superiority, at least you must become angry. ?In either case, he
>> > thinks he won, and his pecker gets hard.
>>
>> I think you have him figured out! ?LOL
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> Evelyn
>>
>> In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market, where one
>> may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss. ?- Milarepa
>
>When a deeply disturbed man engages others' egos, this is not
>particularly remarkable or troublesome. What is problematic is the
>reactions he may elicit in ourselves.
>
>Just assume that he is a program (essentially isn't that is what ego
>is?) designed to give you an opportunity to awaken. Can you see the
>emptiness in abhorant speech and hyper-aggressive energy?
>
>One thing you know's worthwhile
>If the puppet makes you smile.
>If not, then you're throwing stones.
The sad thing is, you don't realize you too have buried yourself in
bickering. No matter how hard you try, you are still bickering just
like the rest of fools.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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