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   From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com   
      
   "Jigme Dorje"  wrote in message   
   news:9a2eed57-7395-4118-9c7f-d420400be99b@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Aug 15, 5:08 am, niunian  wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:09:38 -0700 (PDT), Jigme Dorje   
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   >>   
   >>   
   >>  wrote:   
   >> >On Aug 14, 8:36?pm, "Evelyn"  wrote:   
   >> >> "Nobody in Particular"  wrote in   
   >> >> messagenews:i47as0$hlp$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >>   
   >> >> > halfawake wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> >> Evelyn wrote:   
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   >> >> >>> "zenworm"  wrote in message   
   >> >> >>>news:1d2d9683-eb09-48f3-b085-e56165f60ae0@f6g2000yqa.go   
   glegroups.com...   
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   >> >> >>>> On Aug 12, 8:43 pm, Jigme Dorje  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> On Aug 12, 3:20 pm, Catawumpus  wrote:   
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   >> >> >>>>> > halfawake :   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> > > I was asserting something more than that. ?I didn't say   
   >> >> >>>>> > > puritans   
   >> >> >>>>> were   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> > ? ? ?You argued "puritans in every tradition reject sensory   
   >> >> >>>>> > and   
   >> >> >>>>> > physical experience" generally "in favor of purely mental   
   >> >> >>>>> > experience from the neck up." ?But that ain't so. ?A puritan   
   >> >> >>>>> > is   
   >> >> >>>>> > "a person with censorious moral beliefs, esp. about   
   >> >> >>>>> > pleasure and sex." ?Puritans don't object to cold showers,   
   >> >> >>>>> > hard   
   >> >> >>>>> > work, or other forms of physical experience in keeping with   
   >> >> >>>>> > their morality. ?Ergo you understand puritanism as poorly as   
   >> >> >>>>> > do   
   >> >> >>>>> > the other stuff you've discussed.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> > -- Catawumpus   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who   
   >> >> >>>>> shouts   
   >> >> >>>>> the loudest wins the argument.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> But it happens here too, without the shouting. The means justify   
   >> >> >>>>> the   
   >> >> >>>>> ends, and if you have to twist the other person's words, throw   
   >> >> >>>>> around   
   >> >> >>>>> invalid arguments to confuse the issue and misrepresent the   
   >> >> >>>>> others'   
   >> >> >>>>> positions, that's ok, just as long as you get the last word in -   
   >> >> >>>>> it's   
   >> >> >>>>> a battle of attrition.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> Senator Joseph McCarthy won on those terms too. Sure, everybody   
   >> >> >>>>> walked   
   >> >> >>>>> out shaking their heads about him too, but at least he got the   
   >> >> >>>>> satisfaction of getting in the last word.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>>> Halfawake, give him his imaginary prize, and leave him to his   
   >> >> >>>>> misery.   
   >> >> >>>>> No doubt the man's an overweight geek with bad teeth, a puss   
   >> >> >>>>> that only   
   >> >> >>>>> a motherfucker could love and probably still a virgin. Have   
   >> >> >>>>> mercy and   
   >> >> >>>>> let him have his little victory.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>> Perhaps Catawumpus is   
   >> >> >>>> a woman who has lost a child   
   >> >> >>>> and suffers from the anger of grief.   
   >>   
   >> >> >>>> ^~   
   >>   
   >> >> >>> There is something very angry about him/her that simply cancels   
   >> >> >>> out the   
   >> >> >>> possibility of rational discussion.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> It's not the anger that cancels it out for me. ?It is just that he   
   >> >> >> will   
   >> >> >> repeat his assertions and completely ignore anything you say to the   
   >> >> >> contrary. ?It's a great tactic if you don't want to get anywhere.   
   >>   
   >> >> > It's an ego thing. ?He must always be right. ?If you don't   
   >> >> > acknowledge his   
   >> >> > supposed superiority, at least you must become angry. ?In either   
   >> >> > case, he   
   >> >> > thinks he won, and his pecker gets hard.   
   >>   
   >> >> I think you have him figured out! ?LOL   
   >>   
   >> >> --   
   >> >> Best Regards,   
   >> >> Evelyn   
   >>   
   >> >> In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market,   
   >> >> where one   
   >> >> may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss. ?- Milarepa   
   >>   
   >> >When a deeply disturbed man engages others' egos, this is not   
   >> >particularly remarkable or troublesome. What is problematic is the   
   >> >reactions he may elicit in ourselves.   
   >>   
   >> >Just assume that he is a program (essentially isn't that is what ego   
   >> >is?) designed to give you an opportunity to awaken.  Can you see the   
   >> >emptiness in abhorant speech and hyper-aggressive energy?   
   >>   
   >> >One thing you know's worthwhile   
   >> >If the puppet makes you smile.   
   >> >If not, then you're throwing stones.   
   >>   
   >> The sad thing is, you don't realize you too have buried yourself in   
   >> bickering. No matter how hard you try, you are still bickering just   
   >> like the rest of fools.   
   >   
   > Then I return to silence.   
      
      
   Yes, so do I.   Hey it always works!   
      
   --   
   Best Regards,   
   Evelyn   
      
   In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market, where one   
   may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss.  - Milarepa   
      
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