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   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   zenworm wrote:   
      
   > On Aug 14, 9:11 pm, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >> > On Aug 14, 8:17 pm, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >> >> > On Aug 14, 6:14 pm, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> >> Evelyn wrote:   
   >> >> >> > "oxtail"  wrote in message   
   >> >> >> >> Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >> >> >> >>> tri cycle wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >>>> just seeing is ok.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >>> According to Norbu, just seeing and no judging is the alpha   
   >> >> >> >>> and omega of Buddhism.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >> There must be something more in what he meant, unless he was   
   >> >> >> >> trying to become an insect.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> > Oxtail, we don't know much about what insects think.......   
   >>   
   >> >> >> I'm assuming that   
   >> >> >> they are not capable of being judgmental.   
   >>   
   >> >> > There is falling below thought and rising above it. There is   
   >> >> > consciousness grounded in being, as in plants, animals, stones and   
   >> >> > insects,   
   >> >> > and consciousness becoming aware of itself as being. Consciousness   
   >> >> > becomes aware of itself   
   >>   
   >> >> Even stones?   
   >> >> What does it mean for all sentient beings to have the Buddha-nature?   
   >>   
   >> > Of course stones. Every form that has an identity has consciousness.   
   >> > They are all composed of form and space. They are all filled with   
   >> > energy and living, sentient things, although their function may not   
   >> > be apparent to us.   
   >>   
   >> > Nietzsche's old quip that "god is dead" is interesting, since we have   
   >> > killed off all nature, by objectifying it, seeing it as a collection   
   >> > of objects with varying assigned values in accordance with the degree   
   >> > of our cravings. We are in a flat land. Mountains are just mountains.   
   >>   
   >> > In fact, these forms are no more than half the picture.  Light can be   
   >> > seen as a particle or as a wave. Which is it?  Sentient beings are   
   >> > like this. All the things of nature is deeply rooted in being. They   
   >> > are inseparable from being.   
   >>   
   >> You must be confusing consciousness with something else.   
   >   
   >   
   > there is nothing else   
   >   
   > ^~   
      
      
   It's not the case that   
   everything has consciousness,   
   just because everything is made up by the mind.   
      
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