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   From: Julianlzb87@gmail.com   
      
   On 15/08/2010 16:08, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > Evelyn wrote:   
   >   
   >> "Julian"   
   >>   
   >>> As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in   
   >>> my life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a purely   
   >>> mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to demonstrate   
   >>> mastery of the Gongyo ceremony.  There was nothing whatsoever magical   
   >>> or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely the result of the long   
   >>> and painful austerity of the assiduous practice that was (for me) required   
   >>> to master it. Just bloody hard work (and sore knees.)   
   >>   
   >> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
   >   
   > Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see   
   > the humour of what he says. He says that he goes through   
   > the motion without any faith in it. Just the bare motions,   
   > devoid of any supernatural superstructure to infuse   
   > meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and   
   > ministers who have lost faith. The part:< involving anything magic/occult it was a purely mundane   
   > transaction>>  is very poignant. Also:< work>>.   
   >   
   > It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >   
   > Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going   
   > though the Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
      
   Went through the motion, not "goes."   
   Once I received the Gohonzon it was "game over!"  :)   
      
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