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   From: firehose@everywhere.com   
      
   Julian wrote:   
      
   > On 15/08/2010 16:08, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>> "Julian"   
   >>>   
   >>>> As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in my   
   >>>> life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a purely   
   >>>> mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to   
   >>>> demonstrate mastery of the Gongyo ceremony.  There was nothing   
   >>>> whatsoever magical or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely   
   >>>> the result of the long and painful austerity of the assiduous   
   >>>> practice that was (for me) required to master it. Just bloody hard   
   >>>> work (and sore knees.)   
   >>>   
   >>> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
   >>   
   >> Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see the humour of   
   >> what he says. He says that he goes through the motion without any faith   
   >> in it. Just the bare motions, devoid of any supernatural superstructure   
   >> to infuse meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and ministers   
   >> who have lost faith. The part:<> magic/occult it was a purely mundane transaction>>  is very poignant.   
   >> Also:<>.   
   >>   
   >> It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >>   
   >> Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going though the   
   >> Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
   >   
   > Went through the motion, not "goes."   
   > Once I received the Gohonzon it was "game over!"  :)   
      
      
   What a magic!   
      
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