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   From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com   
      
   "Tang Huyen" wrote in message   
   news:R6idnc-zv6yWnvXRnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@supernews.com...   
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   > Evelyn wrote:   
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   >> "Julian"   
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   >> > As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in   
   >> > my life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a purely   
   >> > mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to demonstrate   
   >> > mastery of the Gongyo ceremony. There was nothing whatsoever magical   
   >> > or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely the result of the   
   >> > long   
   >> > and painful austerity of the assiduous practice that was (for me)   
   >> > required   
   >> > to master it. Just bloody hard work (and sore knees.)   
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   >> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
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   > Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see   
   > the humour of what he says. He says that he goes through   
   > the motion without any faith in it. Just the bare motions,   
   > devoid of any supernatural superstructure to infuse   
   > meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and   
   > ministers who have lost faith. The part: < involving anything magic/occult it was a purely mundane   
   > transaction>> is very poignant. Also: < work>>.   
   >   
   > It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >   
   > Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going   
   > though the Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
   >   
   > Tang Huyen   
      
      
   I am sure there are plenty of those who do exactly that.   
      
   --   
   Best Regards,   
   Evelyn   
      
   In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market, where one   
   may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss. - Milarepa   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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