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   From: Julianlzb87@gmail.com   
      
   On 15/08/2010 16:39, syringe nipples wrote:   
   > On 15/08/2010 11:32 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >> On 15/08/2010 16:08, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> "Julian"   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in   
   >>>>> my life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a purely   
   >>>>> mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to   
   >>>>> demonstrate   
   >>>>> mastery of the Gongyo ceremony. There was nothing whatsoever magical   
   >>>>> or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely the result of the   
   >>>>> long   
   >>>>> and painful austerity of the assiduous practice that was (for me)   
   >>>>> required   
   >>>>> to master it. Just bloody hard work (and sore knees.)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
   >>>   
   >>> Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see   
   >>> the humour of what he says. He says that he goes through   
   >>> the motion without any faith in it. Just the bare motions,   
   >>> devoid of any supernatural superstructure to infuse   
   >>> meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and   
   >>> ministers who have lost faith. The part:<>> involving anything magic/occult it was a purely mundane   
   >>> transaction>> is very poignant. Also:<>> work>>.   
   >>>   
   >>> It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >>>   
   >>> Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going   
   >>> though the Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
   >>   
   >> Went through the motion, not "goes."   
   >> Once I received the Gohonzon it was "game over!" :)   
   >   
   > you can probably get those on ebay.   
      
   Indeed, although often they have to be paid for   
   and it's unlikely that they are hand delivered   
   by a Nichiren Shoshu priest.   
      
   Also, one is unlikely to be star guest at an after-party   
   and have the close attention of a number of delighted   
   Nip nubiles.   
      
   Besides... buying off Ebay is, I suggest, not so likely   
   to have the desired effect on my "peers" at the time.   
   They would have doubted it's legitimacy and thus   
   the whole point would have been undermined.   
      
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