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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: Julianlzb87@gmail.com   
      
   On 15/08/2010 16:55, syringe nipples wrote:   
   > On 15/08/2010 11:51 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >> On 15/08/2010 16:39, syringe nipples wrote:   
   >>> On 15/08/2010 11:32 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>>> On 15/08/2010 16:08, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> "Julian"   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in   
   >>>>>>> my life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a purely   
   >>>>>>> mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to   
   >>>>>>> demonstrate   
   >>>>>>> mastery of the Gongyo ceremony. There was nothing whatsoever magical   
   >>>>>>> or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely the result of the   
   >>>>>>> long   
   >>>>>>> and painful austerity of the assiduous practice that was (for me)   
   >>>>>>> required   
   >>>>>>> to master it. Just bloody hard work (and sore knees.)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see   
   >>>>> the humour of what he says. He says that he goes through   
   >>>>> the motion without any faith in it. Just the bare motions,   
   >>>>> devoid of any supernatural superstructure to infuse   
   >>>>> meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and   
   >>>>> ministers who have lost faith. The part:<>>>> involving anything magic/occult it was a purely mundane   
   >>>>> transaction>> is very poignant. Also:<>>>> work>>.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going   
   >>>>> though the Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Went through the motion, not "goes."   
   >>>> Once I received the Gohonzon it was "game over!" :)   
   >>>   
   >>> you can probably get those on ebay.   
   >>   
   >> Indeed, although often they have to be paid for   
   >> and it's unlikely that they are hand delivered   
   >> by a Nichiren Shoshu priest.   
   >>   
   >> Also, one is unlikely to be star guest at an after-party   
   >> and have the close attention of a number of delighted   
   >> Nip nubiles.   
   >>   
   >> Besides... buying off Ebay is, I suggest, not so likely   
   >> to have the desired effect on my "peers" at the time.   
   >> They would have doubted it's legitimacy and thus   
   >> the whole point would have been undermined.   
   >>   
   >   
   > did you convince yourself you were sincere at the time?   
      
   Didn't need to. I knew my motive was, and still is, sincere.   
      
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