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   From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com   
      
   "Evelyn"  wrote in message   
   news:i492fb$nug$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >   
   > "Julian"  wrote in message   
   > news:i491b1$39u$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >> On 15/08/2010 16:08, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> "Julian"   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in   
   >>>>> my life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a purely   
   >>>>> mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to   
   >>>>> demonstrate   
   >>>>> mastery of the Gongyo ceremony.  There was nothing whatsoever magical   
   >>>>> or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely the result of the   
   >>>>> long   
   >>>>> and painful austerity of the assiduous practice that was (for me)   
   >>>>> required   
   >>>>> to master it. Just bloody hard work (and sore knees.)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
   >>>   
   >>> Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see   
   >>> the humour of what he says. He says that he goes through   
   >>> the motion without any faith in it. Just the bare motions,   
   >>> devoid of any supernatural superstructure to infuse   
   >>> meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and   
   >>> ministers who have lost faith. The part:<>> involving anything magic/occult it was a purely mundane   
   >>> transaction>>  is very poignant. Also:<>> work>>.   
   >>>   
   >>> It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >>>   
   >>> Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going   
   >>> though the Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
   >>   
   >> Went through the motion, not "goes."   
   >> Once I received the Gohonzon it was "game over!"  :)   
   >   
   >   
   > Ah then you had possession of the  "preccciooussssss........."   
      
      
   Am I the only one who thinks it is pretty weird to FAKE a practice meant to   
   be taken sincerely, in order to GET an object?   
      
   --   
   Best Regards,   
   Evelyn   
      
   In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market, where one   
   may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss.  - Milarepa   
      
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