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   From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com   
      
   "Julian"  wrote in message   
   news:i492e0$dar$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   > On 15/08/2010 16:39, syringe nipples wrote:   
   >> On 15/08/2010 11:32 PM, Julian wrote:   
   >>> On 15/08/2010 16:08, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> "Julian"   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in   
   >>>>>> my life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a purely   
   >>>>>> mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to   
   >>>>>> demonstrate   
   >>>>>> mastery of the Gongyo ceremony. There was nothing whatsoever magical   
   >>>>>> or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely the result of the   
   >>>>>> long   
   >>>>>> and painful austerity of the assiduous practice that was (for me)   
   >>>>>> required   
   >>>>>> to master it. Just bloody hard work (and sore knees.)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see   
   >>>> the humour of what he says. He says that he goes through   
   >>>> the motion without any faith in it. Just the bare motions,   
   >>>> devoid of any supernatural superstructure to infuse   
   >>>> meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and   
   >>>> ministers who have lost faith. The part:<>>> involving anything magic/occult it was a purely mundane   
   >>>> transaction>> is very poignant. Also:<>>> work>>.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going   
   >>>> though the Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
   >>>   
   >>> Went through the motion, not "goes."   
   >>> Once I received the Gohonzon it was "game over!" :)   
   >>   
   >> you can probably get those on ebay.   
   >   
   > Indeed, although often they have to be paid for   
   > and it's unlikely that they are hand delivered   
   > by a Nichiren Shoshu priest.   
   >   
   > Also, one is unlikely to be star guest at an after-party   
   > and have the close attention of a number of delighted   
   > Nip nubiles.   
   >   
   > Besides... buying off Ebay is, I suggest, not so likely   
   > to have the desired effect on my "peers" at the time.   
   > They would have doubted it's legitimacy and thus   
   > the whole point would have been undermined.   
      
      
   So you faked it, in order to get it.   Then the game was over.   
   You wanted to be perceived as sincere, possibly to get laid, or for some   
   other recognition.   
   A thing of commerce, not of spiritual seeking at all.   
      
   --   
   Best Regards,   
   Evelyn   
      
   In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market, where one   
   may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss.  - Milarepa   
      
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