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   From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com   
      
   "Julian"  wrote in message   
   news:y8Wdnb_zPqjP1PXRnZ2dnUVZ8gWdnZ2d@bt.com...   
   > On 15/08/2010 18:03, syringe nipples wrote:   
   >> On 16/08/2010 12:48 AM, Evelyn wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> "Evelyn"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:i492fb$nug$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Julian"  wrote in message   
   >>>> news:i491b1$39u$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >>>>> On 15/08/2010 16:08, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> "Julian"   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in   
   >>>>>>>> my life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a   
   >>>>>>>> purely   
   >>>>>>>> mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to   
   >>>>>>>> demonstrate   
   >>>>>>>> mastery of the Gongyo ceremony. There was nothing whatsoever   
   >>>>>>>> magical   
   >>>>>>>> or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely the result of   
   >>>>>>>> the long   
   >>>>>>>> and painful austerity of the assiduous practice that was (for me)   
   >>>>>>>> required   
   >>>>>>>> to master it. Just bloody hard work (and sore knees.)   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see   
   >>>>>> the humour of what he says. He says that he goes through   
   >>>>>> the motion without any faith in it. Just the bare motions,   
   >>>>>> devoid of any supernatural superstructure to infuse   
   >>>>>> meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and   
   >>>>>> ministers who have lost faith. The part:<>>>>> involving anything magic/occult it was a purely mundane   
   >>>>>> transaction>> is very poignant. Also:<>>>>> work>>.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going   
   >>>>>> though the Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Went through the motion, not "goes."   
   >>>>> Once I received the Gohonzon it was "game over!" :)   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Ah then you had possession of the "preccciooussssss........."   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Am I the only one who thinks it is pretty weird to FAKE a practice meant   
   >>> to be taken sincerely, in order to GET an object?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> he may be baiting, or honest about a partial aspect in a cynical way.   
   >   
   > I'm led to believe she hasn't a clue what I'm talking about   
   > but I'm happy to let the sleeping dog lie.   
      
      
   Of course you are!!!!!!   LOL   
      
   --   
   Best Regards,   
   Evelyn   
      
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   may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss.  - Milarepa   
      
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