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   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   syringe nipples wrote:   
      
   > On 15/08/2010 11:08 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:   
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   >>   
   >> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> "Julian"   
   >>>   
   >>>> As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in   
   >>>> my life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a purely   
   >>>> mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to demonstrate   
   >>>> mastery of the Gongyo ceremony.  There was nothing whatsoever magical   
   >>>> or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely the result of the   
   >>>> long   
   >>>> and painful austerity of the assiduous practice that was (for me)   
   >>>> required   
   >>>> to master it. Just bloody hard work (and sore knees.)   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see   
   >> the humour of what he says. He says that he goes through   
   >> the motion without any faith in it. Just the bare motions,   
   >> devoid of any supernatural superstructure to infuse   
   >> meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and   
   >> ministers who have lost faith. The part:<> involving anything magic/occult it was a purely mundane   
   >> transaction>>  is very poignant. Also:<> work>>.   
   >>   
   >> It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >>   
   >> Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going   
   >> though the Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
   >>   
   >> Tang Huyen   
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   >   
   > what if it's the tantric motions which go through you? we seem   
   > mechanicalize the states into "practice" versus natural motion.   
      
      
   It's all mechanical.  We're part of the machine:   
      
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE9PPcAeTA0   
      
   Robert   
      
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