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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: Julianlzb87@gmail.com   
      
   On 16/08/2010 05:28, halfawake wrote:   
   > Julian wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 15/08/2010 03:14, halfawake wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Julian wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 14/08/2010 13:47, possum wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> "Julian" wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:i45tgh$787$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 14/08/2010 11:53, possum wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> "Julian" wrote in message   
   >>>>>>> news:i45nhs$kqe$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 14/08/2010 09:14, halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Julian wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 12/08/2010 18:21, DT wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> "DT" wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> news:i418a202llk@news3.newsguy.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Julian" wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:i40qsf$hbn$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/08/2010 13:10, Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 5:18 am,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julian   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/08/2010 08:18, halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julian wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/08/2010 11:39, Catawumpus wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halfawake:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fake conversation is between you and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ass. Hope   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're having a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fake conversation is the one Evelyn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when she denied she was offering a real one.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which makes   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect sense in light of all the fake   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accusations she's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tossed.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are not fake. They are real accusations   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't expect anything else after the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Occultists, and the so   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Korean Zen" and Tibetanista teachers, have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profoundly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisted her   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> melon,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you really want to get occult, try the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assertions of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lotus Sutra,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> largely based on supernaturalism and magical   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are keen and verbose in seeking evidence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tibetan foetid rascalities before you'll cease   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deny such   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Yes, proving a negative was never my strong suit, since   
   >>>>>>>>> it is   
   >>>>>>>>> impossible. One doesn't take assertions that have no   
   >>>>>>>>> evidence and find   
   >>>>>>>>> evidence to refute it. I challenge you to find evidence   
   >>>>>>>>> that there is n   
   >>>>>>>>> such thing as a unicorn. Prove it. You can't. If you   
   >>>>>>>>> assert that the   
   >>>>>>>>> Tibetan lamas have done something you have to provide   
   >>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>> evidence, and   
   >>>>>>>>> it has to be real evidence or it is pure bullshit. That   
   >>>>>>>>> won't stop you   
   >>>>>>>>> from saying it is true over and over again will it?   
   >>>>>>>>> Asserting things to   
   >>>>>>>>> exist that have no evidence is a strength of yours and   
   >>>>>>>>> other   
   >>>>>>>>> anti-Tibetan ideologues. You find a book with   
   >>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated assertions   
   >>>>>>>>> and use it as a citation, or a picture that is   
   >>>>>>>>> supposedly   
   >>>>>>>>> of skin taken   
   >>>>>>>>> from living people with no evidence to support it and   
   >>>>>>>>> then go on about   
   >>>>>>>>> it as if it were proven. And that is the worst kind of   
   >>>>>>>>> propaganda. If   
   >>>>>>>>> you said that Romanians skinned their babies alive I'd   
   >>>>>>>>> have the same   
   >>>>>>>>> reaction. I don't care if it's about Tibetans or people   
   >>>>>>>>> from Chicago.   
   >>>>>>>>> I'm not a fan of malicious propaganda.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so presumeably you must have copious evidence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the Lotus Sutra   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is "largely based on supernaturalism and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magical   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not on the assiduous practice and study of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddhism.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please share it.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> When I get a chance I may do that. Meanwhile, if you   
   >>>>>>>>> think that the   
   >>>>>>>>> whole setup of the Lotus Sutra, asserting the unending   
   >>>>>>>>> lineage of   
   >>>>>>>>> Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, most of them never heard of   
   >>>>>>>>> in   
   >>>>>>>>> any other   
   >>>>>>>>> Theravadin or Mahayana record before or after, speaking   
   >>>>>>>>> of their occult,   
   >>>>>>>>> magical and supernatural doings, and how the sutra   
   >>>>>>>>> itself   
   >>>>>>>>> has myriad   
   >>>>>>>>> magical powers, shifting the emphasis from personal   
   >>>>>>>>> enlightenment   
   >>>>>>>>> through understanding to the magical thinking of being   
   >>>>>>>>> graced with   
   >>>>>>>>> enlightenment by the mystical power of the sutra   
   >>>>>>>>> itself,   
   >>>>>>>>> is not an   
   >>>>>>>>> exercise in magical thinking and supernaturalism of the   
   >>>>>>>>> highest order,   
   >>>>>>>>> then that's fine. If you literally accept all of that   
   >>>>>>>>> on   
   >>>>>>>>> faith, then you   
   >>>>>>>>> are a religious worshipper, which is also fine. And if   
   >>>>>>>>> you think the   
   >>>>>>>>> same magical thinking that the repeated chanting of the   
   >>>>>>>>> name of the   
   >>>>>>>>> lotus sutra, with or without any understanding of the   
   >>>>>>>>> kind that   
      
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