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   From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com   
      
   "Julian"  wrote in message   
   news:i4auhp$om8$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
   > On 16/08/2010 05:28, halfawake wrote:   
   >> Julian wrote:   
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   >>> On 15/08/2010 03:14, halfawake wrote:   
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   >>>> Julian wrote:   
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   >>>>> On 14/08/2010 13:47, possum wrote:   
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   >>>>>> "Julian" wrote in message   
   >>>>>> news:i45tgh$787$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
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   >>>>>>> On 14/08/2010 11:53, possum wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>> "Julian" wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>> news:i45nhs$kqe$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
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   >>>>>>>>> On 14/08/2010 09:14, halfawake wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>> Julian wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/08/2010 18:21, DT wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>> Evelyn wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "DT" wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:i418a202llk@news3.newsguy.com...   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evelyn wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Julian" wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:i40qsf$hbn$1@news.eternal-september.org...   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/08/2010 13:10, Jigme Dorje wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 5:18 am,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julian   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/08/2010 08:18, halfawake wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julian wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/08/2010 11:39, Catawumpus wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halfawake:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fake conversation is between you and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ass. Hope   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're having a   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fake conversation is the one Evelyn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> openly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when she denied she was offering a real one.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which makes   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect sense in light of all the fake   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accusations she's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tossed.   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are not fake. They are real accusations   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't expect anything else after the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Occultists, and the so   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Korean Zen" and Tibetanista teachers, have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profoundly   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisted her   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> melon,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you really want to get occult, try the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assertions of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lotus Sutra,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> largely based on supernaturalism and magical   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are keen and verbose in seeking evidence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tibetan foetid rascalities before you'll cease   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deny such   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Yes, proving a negative was never my strong suit, since   
   >>>>>>>>>> it is   
   >>>>>>>>>> impossible. One doesn't take assertions that have no   
   >>>>>>>>>> evidence and find   
   >>>>>>>>>> evidence to refute it. I challenge you to find evidence   
   >>>>>>>>>> that there is n   
   >>>>>>>>>> such thing as a unicorn. Prove it. You can't. If you   
   >>>>>>>>>> assert that the   
   >>>>>>>>>> Tibetan lamas have done something you have to provide   
   >>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>> evidence, and   
   >>>>>>>>>> it has to be real evidence or it is pure bullshit. That   
   >>>>>>>>>> won't stop you   
   >>>>>>>>>> from saying it is true over and over again will it?   
   >>>>>>>>>> Asserting things to   
   >>>>>>>>>> exist that have no evidence is a strength of yours and   
   >>>>>>>>>> other   
   >>>>>>>>>> anti-Tibetan ideologues. You find a book with   
   >>>>>>>>>> unsubstantiated assertions   
   >>>>>>>>>> and use it as a citation, or a picture that is   
   >>>>>>>>>> supposedly   
   >>>>>>>>>> of skin taken   
   >>>>>>>>>> from living people with no evidence to support it and   
   >>>>>>>>>> then go on about   
   >>>>>>>>>> it as if it were proven. And that is the worst kind of   
   >>>>>>>>>> propaganda. If   
   >>>>>>>>>> you said that Romanians skinned their babies alive I'd   
   >>>>>>>>>> have the same   
   >>>>>>>>>> reaction. I don't care if it's about Tibetans or people   
   >>>>>>>>>> from Chicago.   
   >>>>>>>>>> I'm not a fan of malicious propaganda.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so presumeably you must have copious evidence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the Lotus Sutra   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is "largely based on supernaturalism and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> magical   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not on the assiduous practice and study of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddhism.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please share it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> When I get a chance I may do that. Meanwhile, if you   
   >>>>>>>>>> think that the   
   >>>>>>>>>> whole setup of the Lotus Sutra, asserting the unending   
   >>>>>>>>>> lineage of   
   >>>>>>>>>> Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, most of them never heard of   
   >>>>>>>>>> in   
   >>>>>>>>>> any other   
   >>>>>>>>>> Theravadin or Mahayana record before or after, speaking   
   >>>>>>>>>> of their occult,   
   >>>>>>>>>> magical and supernatural doings, and how the sutra   
   >>>>>>>>>> itself   
   >>>>>>>>>> has myriad   
   >>>>>>>>>> magical powers, shifting the emphasis from personal   
   >>>>>>>>>> enlightenment   
   >>>>>>>>>> through understanding to the magical thinking of being   
   >>>>>>>>>> graced with   
   >>>>>>>>>> enlightenment by the mystical power of the sutra   
   >>>>>>>>>> itself,   
   >>>>>>>>>> is not an   
   >>>>>>>>>> exercise in magical thinking and supernaturalism of the   
   >>>>>>>>>> highest order,   
   >>>>>>>>>> then that's fine. If you literally accept all of that   
   >>>>>>>>>> on   
   >>>>>>>>>> faith, then you   
      
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