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From: oxtail@nowhere.org
Jigme Dorje wrote:
> On Aug 15, 6:22 pm, oxtail wrote:
>> Jigme Dorje wrote:
>> > On Aug 15, 10:17 am, oxtail wrote:
>> >> zenworm wrote:
>> >> > On Aug 14, 9:11 pm, oxtail wrote:
>> >> >> Jigme Dorje wrote:
>> >> >> > On Aug 14, 8:17 pm, oxtail wrote:
>> >> >> >> Jigme Dorje wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Aug 14, 6:14 pm, oxtail wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Evelyn wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > "oxtail" wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> Tang Huyen wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> tri cycle wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> just seeing is ok.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> According to Norbu, just seeing and no judging is the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> alpha and omega of Buddhism.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> There must be something more in what he meant, unless he
>> >> >> >> >> >> was trying to become an insect.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Oxtail, we don't know much about what insects
>> >> >> >> >> > think.......
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I'm assuming that
>> >> >> >> >> they are not capable of being judgmental.
>>
>> >> >> >> > There is falling below thought and rising above it. There is
>> >> >> >> > consciousness grounded in being, as in plants, animals,
>> >> >> >> > stones and insects,
>> >> >> >> > and consciousness becoming aware of itself as being.
>> >> >> >> > Consciousness becomes aware of itself
>>
>> >> >> >> Even stones?
>> >> >> >> What does it mean for all sentient beings to have the
>> >> >> >> Buddha-nature?
>>
>> >> >> > Of course stones. Every form that has an identity has
>> >> >> > consciousness. They are all composed of form and space. They
>> >> >> > are all filled with energy and living, sentient things,
>> >> >> > although their function may not be apparent to us.
>>
>> >> >> > Nietzsche's old quip that "god is dead" is interesting, since
>> >> >> > we have killed off all nature, by objectifying it, seeing it as
>> >> >> > a collection of objects with varying assigned values in
>> >> >> > accordance with the degree of our cravings. We are in a flat
>> >> >> > land. Mountains are just mountains.
>>
>> >> >> > In fact, these forms are no more than half the picture. Light
>> >> >> > can be seen as a particle or as a wave. Which is it? Sentient
>> >> >> > beings are like this. All the things of nature is deeply rooted
>> >> >> > in being. They are inseparable from being.
>>
>> >> >> You must be confusing consciousness with something else.
>>
>> >> > there is nothing else
>>
>> >> > ^~
>>
>> >> It's not the case that
>> >> everything has consciousness,
>> >> just because everything is made up by the mind.
>>
>> > Sorry to have unskillfully diverted the discussion in the direction
>> > of conceptual distinctions. My intent was to point to "the other
>> > shore" as the Diamond Sutra" describes the territory beyond thought
>> > forms.
>>
>> > It is a sorry task to attempt to put it into words. This may be why
>> > the Buddha often observed skillful silence, describing "suchness" in
>> > negative terms, that is, saying what it is not, rather than
>> > attempting to shape it into words. Another problem with verbosity is
>> > that it runs the risk of stealing from people who are making the
>> > effort to seek it themselves. We must all cut our own paths to direct
>> > experience, and overly descriptive words can result in conceptual
>> > rigidity that can become just another impediment.
>>
>> > I am glad to discuss my own experience, but have to be cognizant of
>> > the potential to create distracting controversies as the mind
>> > attempts to grasp a tentatively phrased descriptive phrase.
>>
>> > I am gratified however, that my unskilled words do not cause much
>> > more than a shrug, which is a testament to you guys and your
>> > practice.
>>
>> IMHO it helps to pretend to write poetry.
>>
>
> Alright then, I can pretend to do that!
>
> From cell to human, as life evolves
> It becomes increasingly differentiated Until it is just an isolated
> fragment A piece of cloud disappearing into nothingness.
>
> Call it something, call it nothing,
> Can you sense your rootedness in it?
>
> Are you building an illusion
> Called the story of me?
> Waiting for a happy ending?
> What lies behind the conditioned self, Undifferentiated, unmanifest?
>
> Call it something, call it nothing,
> Can you sense your rootedness in it?
Therefore we call it the Way.
When mortals are alive, they worry about death.
When they're full, they worry about hunger.
Theirs is the Great Uncertainty.
But sages don't consider the past.
And they don't worry about the future.
Nor do they cling to the present.
And from moment to moment they follow the Way.
~Bodhidharma
Translated by Red Pine 1987
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