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   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   syringe nipples wrote:   
      
   > On 16/08/2010 1:07 PM, halfawake wrote:   
   >   
   >> syringe nipples wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 15/08/2010 11:08 PM, Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Evelyn wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> "Julian"   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> As for myself, I have only ever "chanted for" something once in   
   >>>>>> my life and far from involving anything magic/occult it was a purely   
   >>>>>> mundane transaction. In order to obtain a Gohonzon I had to   
   >>>>>> demonstrate   
   >>>>>> mastery of the Gongyo ceremony. There was nothing whatsoever magical   
   >>>>>> or occult in my performance of the ceremony merely the result of   
   >>>>>> the long   
   >>>>>> and painful austerity of the assiduous practice that was (for me)   
   >>>>>> required   
   >>>>>> to master it. Just bloody hard work (and sore knees.)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And you make fun of tibetan buddhism?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Julian can speak for himself, but from my side, I can see   
   >>>> the humour of what he says. He says that he goes through   
   >>>> the motion without any faith in it. Just the bare motions,   
   >>>> devoid of any supernatural superstructure to infuse   
   >>>> meaning into them. Like many Christian priests and   
   >>>> ministers who have lost faith. The part:<>>> involving anything magic/occult it was a purely mundane   
   >>>> transaction>> is very poignant. Also:<>>> work>>.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It is also very poignant that you miss his humour.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Now just imagine a follower of the Tibetan religion going   
   >>>> though the Tantric motions day after day in such spirit ...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Tang Huyen   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> what if it's the tantric motions which go through you? we seem   
   >>> mechanicalize the states into "practice" versus natural motion.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> It's all mechanical. We're part of the machine:   
   >>   
   >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE9PPcAeTA0   
   >>   
   >> Robert   
   >>   
   >> =====================   
   >   
   >   
   > love power? :)   
      
   you'll have to explain the context of your remark.  you seem to be   
   rather non-sequitur-ish lately.   
      
   Are you trying on the zenworm thing of single-word or term questions?   
   You know, those single word or term questions are supposed to somehow   
   relate to what you're commenting on.   
      
   Robert   
      
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