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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   Keynes wrote:   
      
   > oxtail  wrote:   
   >>halfawake wrote:   
   >>> oxtail wrote:   
   >>>> halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>>halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>>>oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>tri cycle wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>just seeing is ok.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>According to Norbu, just seeing and no judging is the alpha and   
   >>>>>>>>>omega of Buddhism.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>There must be something more in what he meant, unless he was   
   >>>>>>>>trying to become an insect.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>so you're not really ready to let go of everything? I'll make a   
   >>>>>>>note of that.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Thank you for caring.   
   >>>>>>But you might be doing it the wrong way. You could have refrained   
   >>>>>>from announcing that you have noticed "that" and help me let go of   
   >>>>>>everything;   
   >>>>>>even the distinction between judging and being judgmental.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>haven't I helped you by pointing it out? what more do you need?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>In the right position of mind, all it takes is a mention, bringing   
   >>>>>the issue to consciousness,   
   >>>>>and the skilled disciple will quickly let go   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>did you not use the occasion as an opening for right release?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You failed to help me to help Tang.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>> I thought Tang was okay at that moment, and that it was you, with your   
   >>> false image of the mindless insect, that needed the help.  I think   
   >>> you're overly attached to thought.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>Is awakening subjective?   
   >   
   > Is samsara subjective?   
      
      
   Not if money is not subjective.   
      
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