XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen
XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com
Nobody in Particular wrote:
> Julian wrote:
>
>
>>On 16/08/2010 05:28, halfawake wrote:
>>
>>>Julian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 15/08/2010 03:14, halfawake wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Julian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 14/08/2010 13:47, possum wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Julian" wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:i45tgh$787$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 14/08/2010 11:53, possum wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Julian" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:i45nhs$kqe$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On 14/08/2010 09:14, halfawake wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Julian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On 12/08/2010 18:21, DT wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Evelyn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"DT" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:i418a202llk@news3.newsguy.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Evelyn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Julian" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:i40qsf$hbn$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 12/08/2010 13:10, Jigme Dorje wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Aug 12, 5:18 am,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Julian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 12/08/2010 08:18, halfawake wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Julian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 11/08/2010 11:39, Catawumpus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>halfawake:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The fake conversation is between you and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ass. Hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you're having a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The fake conversation is the one Evelyn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>openly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>admitted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>when she denied she was offering a real one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Which makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>perfect sense in light of all the fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>accusations she's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tossed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They are not fake. They are real accusations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>unsubstantiated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can't expect anything else after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Occultists, and the so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Korean Zen" and Tibetanista teachers, have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>profoundly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>twisted her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>melon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>man.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you really want to get occult, try the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>assertions of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lotus Sutra,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>largely based on supernaturalism and magical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are keen and verbose in seeking evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>respect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tibetan foetid rascalities before you'll cease
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>deny such
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, proving a negative was never my strong suit, since
>>>>>>>>>>>it is
>>>>>>>>>>>impossible. One doesn't take assertions that have no
>>>>>>>>>>>evidence and find
>>>>>>>>>>>evidence to refute it. I challenge you to find evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>that there is n
>>>>>>>>>>>such thing as a unicorn. Prove it. You can't. If you
>>>>>>>>>>>assert that the
>>>>>>>>>>>Tibetan lamas have done something you have to provide
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>evidence, and
>>>>>>>>>>>it has to be real evidence or it is pure bullshit. That
>>>>>>>>>>>won't stop you
>>>>>>>>>>>from saying it is true over and over again will it?
>>>>>>>>>>>Asserting things to
>>>>>>>>>>>exist that have no evidence is a strength of yours and
>>>>>>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>>>>anti-Tibetan ideologues. You find a book with
>>>>>>>>>>>unsubstantiated assertions
>>>>>>>>>>>and use it as a citation, or a picture that is
>>>>>>>>>>>supposedly
>>>>>>>>>>>of skin taken
>>>>>>>>>>>from living people with no evidence to support it and
>>>>>>>>>>>then go on about
>>>>>>>>>>>it as if it were proven. And that is the worst kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>propaganda. If
>>>>>>>>>>>you said that Romanians skinned their babies alive I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>have the same
>>>>>>>>>>>reaction. I don't care if it's about Tibetans or people
>>>>>>>>>>>from Chicago.
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not a fan of malicious propaganda.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so presumeably you must have copious evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that the Lotus Sutra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is "largely based on supernaturalism and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>magical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thinking"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and not on the assiduous practice and study of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buddhism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Please share it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>When I get a chance I may do that. Meanwhile, if you
>>>>>>>>>>>think that the
>>>>>>>>>>>whole setup of the Lotus Sutra, asserting the unending
>>>>>>>>>>>lineage of
>>>>>>>>>>>Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, most of them never heard of
>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>any other
>>>>>>>>>>>Theravadin or Mahayana record before or after, speaking
>>>>>>>>>>>of their occult,
>>>>>>>>>>>magical and supernatural doings, and how the sutra
>>>>>>>>>>>itself
>>>>>>>>>>>has myriad
>>>>>>>>>>>magical powers, shifting the emphasis from personal
>>>>>>>>>>>enlightenment
>>>>>>>>>>>through understanding to the magical thinking of being
>>>>>>>>>>>graced with
>>>>>>>>>>>enlightenment by the mystical power of the sutra
>>>>>>>>>>>itself,
>>>>>>>>>>>is not an
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