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   From: niunian@ymail.com   
      
   On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:16:01 -0700 (PDT), zenworm    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Aug 16, 9:23?pm, Jigme Dorje  wrote:   
   >> On Aug 16, 9:20?pm, Keynes  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > >On Aug 16, 8:39?pm, niunian  wrote:   
   >> > >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:08:16 -0500, Keynes    
   >> > >> wrote:   
   >> > >> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:53:55 +0000 (UTC), oxtail    
   wrote:   
   >> > >> >> Is awakening subjective?   
   >>   
   >> > >> >Is samsara subjective?   
   >>   
   >> > >> Stupid people always ask stupid questions. Samsara is empty. Awakening   
   >> > >> is perfect, and perfection is never empty. Subjectivity is only about   
   >> > >> mind vs. matter which is dualistic thinking that has nothing to do   
   >> > >> with awakening or samsara.   
   >>   
   >> > Do you realize you are completely contradictory and incoherent?   
   >>   
   >> You're only just applauding him for it now?   
   >   
   >   
   >Actually this seems coherent.   
   >Paraphrasing -   
   >Awakening = Awareness/Non-dual/Totality.   
   >Samsara = the emptiness (illusionary nature)   
   >of the appearances of form.   
   >Dualistic thinking, the subjectivity about   
   >mind vs matter = the delusional layer of   
   >labels and assumption/prejudice/conceptualization   
   >that holding to views or beliefs adds on top of the   
   >appearances of form. (mental fermentation)   
   >   
   >it is great to see Niunian fielding some content   
   >that shows some depth   
   >there seems to be a language issue.   
   >and a peculiar approach that seems Tao flavored.   
   >(understandable since he claims to be Chinese)   
   >he also has a "big tree" 'i wanna be the biggest tree   
   >in the valley' kind of thing going, which predictably   
   >will have him saying:  "stupid worm has it all wrong."   
   >"blah, blah, blah, blah",   
   >but this still seems to be insight showing.   
   >with some belief and dogmatism mixed in.   
   >   
   >^~   
      
   Hm, this stupid worm may not be completely stupid just yet.   
      
   It's good you are showing some capacity to learn new things.   
      
   :-)   
      
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