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From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com
"Jigme Dorje" wrote in message
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> On Aug 16, 9:19 pm, "Evelyn" wrote:
>> "Jigme Dorje" wrote in message
>>
>> news:59d51da3-79be-47d7-8b97-e8fa9b441383@z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
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>>
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>> > On Aug 16, 8:39 pm, niunian wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:08:16 -0500, Keynes
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:53:55 +0000 (UTC), oxtail
>> >> >wrote:
>>
>> >> >>halfawake wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> oxtail wrote:
>> >> >>>> halfawake wrote:
>> >> >>>>>oxtail wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>halfawake wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>oxtail wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>Tang Huyen wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>tri cycle wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>just seeing is ok.
>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>According to Norbu, just seeing and no judging is the alpha
>> >> >>>>>>>>>and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>omega of Buddhism.
>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>There must be something more in what he meant, unless he was
>> >> >>>>>>>>trying
>> >> >>>>>>>>to become an insect.
>>
>> >> >>>>>>>so you're not really ready to let go of everything? I'll make a
>> >> >>>>>>>note
>> >> >>>>>>>of that.
>>
>> >> >>>>>>Thank you for caring.
>> >> >>>>>>But you might be doing it the wrong way. You could have
>> >> >>>>>>refrained
>> >> >>>>>>from
>> >> >>>>>>announcing that you have noticed "that" and help me let go of
>> >> >>>>>>everything;
>> >> >>>>>>even the distinction between judging and being judgmental.
>>
>> >> >>>>>haven't I helped you by pointing it out? what more do you need?
>>
>> >> >>>>>In the right position of mind, all it takes is a mention,
>> >> >>>>>bringing
>> >> >>>>>the
>> >> >>>>>issue to consciousness,
>> >> >>>>>and the skilled disciple will quickly let go
>>
>> >> >>>>>did you not use the occasion as an opening for right release?
>>
>> >> >>>> You failed to help me to help Tang.
>>
>> >> >>> I thought Tang was okay at that moment, and that it was you, with
>> >> >>> your
>> >> >>> false image of the mindless insect, that needed the help. I think
>> >> >>> you're overly attached to thought.
>>
>> >> >>Is awakening subjective?
>>
>> >> >Is samsara subjective?
>>
>> >> Stupid people always ask stupid questions. Samsara is empty. Awakening
>> >> is perfect, and perfection is never empty. Subjectivity is only about
>> >> mind vs. matter which is dualistic thinking that has nothing to do
>> >> with awakening or samsara.
>>
>> > Boy, I'm glad I didn't ask it. You don't cut anybody a break do you?
>>
>> No, he doesn't. The truth is that there are no stupid questions. The
>> stupidity is in those who pretend (like Niunion) to know, and are afraid
>> to
>> ask questions for fear that they won't look-like they know.
>>
>> No person who asks a question is stupid.
>
> Except Catawumpus, right?
There are legitimate questions, and fake questions designed just for the
sake of arguing. I think Catawumpus is well into the latter category.
But that doesn't mean that if someone wants to take on his questions, they
shouldn't at least try, and many do. At a certain point one realizes that
there are no answers that Catawumpus will accept, and he just comes up with
more faked up questions for the sake of arguing. That's why I don't often
engage with him, but I reserve to right to do so with exactly the same level
of sincerity he asks them in. :-) But that is seldom. Most of the
time I ignore him.
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Best Regards,
Evelyn
In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market, where one
may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss. - Milarepa
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