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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   halfawake :   
      
   > Buddha never suggested that there was ONLY suffering in life   
      
        That's obvious, since the scriptures repeatedly depict him   
   warning against sensual pleasures.   
      
   > and while you have not stated that, it seems to be your implication that   
   > only the universal presence of suffering is important in the Buddha's   
      
        Twice-wrong.  I showed that the Buddha's teachings include   
   freedom from suffering through escape from rebirth, and I   
   said in so many words that Buddhism contains more than a single   
   perspective.   
      
   > If that is not your view, how about discussing the other   
   > aspects of the teaching?  What is your view of the rest of the Buddha's   
   > teaching - that there is a way out of suffering via letting go of   
   > clinging and craving and by removing the ignorance that gave rise to   
      
        Ignorance is the requisite condition of fabrication.  From   
   fabrication comes consciousness, etc., etc., eventually   
   arriving at birth and dukkha.  "Such is the origination of this   
   entire mass of stress & suffering."  Conversely, the   
   dissolution of ignorance causes "cessation of fabrications" and   
   thus "cessation of consciousness," etc., etc., eventually   
   reaching the "cessation of birth" and an end to "aging and   
   death, sorrow, lamentation, pain," and so on.  "Such is the   
   cessation of this entire mass of stress & suffering."  From the   
   Vera Sutta.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)