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   DT to niunian   
   Re: The final determination (was Re: The   
   17 Aug 10 13:30:06   
   
   XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen   
   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: daletx@gnusguy.com   
      
   niunian wrote:   
   > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:08:16 -0500, Keynes    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:53:55 +0000 (UTC), oxtail  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> halfawake wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>> halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>> oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>>> halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> tri cycle wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> just seeing is ok.   
   >>>>>>>>>> According to Norbu, just seeing and no judging is the alpha and   
   >>>>>>>>>> omega of Buddhism.   
   >>>>>>>>> There must be something more in what he meant, unless he was trying   
   >>>>>>>>> to become an insect.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> so you're not really ready to let go of everything? I'll make a note   
   >>>>>>>> of that.   
   >>>>>>> Thank you for caring.   
   >>>>>>> But you might be doing it the wrong way. You could have refrained from   
   >>>>>>> announcing that you have noticed "that" and help me let go of   
   >>>>>>> everything;   
   >>>>>>> even the distinction between judging and being judgmental.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> haven't I helped you by pointing it out? what more do you need?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> In the right position of mind, all it takes is a mention, bringing the   
   >>>>>> issue to consciousness,   
   >>>>>> and the skilled disciple will quickly let go   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> did you not use the occasion as an opening for right release?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You failed to help me to help Tang.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> I thought Tang was okay at that moment, and that it was you, with your   
   >>>> false image of the mindless insect, that needed the help.  I think   
   >>>> you're overly attached to thought.   
   >>>   
   >>> Is awakening subjective?   
   >> Is samsara subjective?   
   >>   
   >   
   > Stupid people always ask stupid questions.   
      
   Ohhh, sometimes they just come up with stupid answers...   
      
   DT   
      
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