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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   oxtail wrote:   
      
   > halfawake wrote:   
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   >   
   >>oxtail wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>halfawake wrote:   
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   >>>>oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>tri cycle wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>just seeing is ok.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>According to Norbu, just seeing and no judging is the alpha and   
   >>>>>>>>omega of Buddhism.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>There must be something more in what he meant, unless he was trying   
   >>>>>>>to become an insect.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>so you're not really ready to let go of everything? I'll make a note   
   >>>>>>of that.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Thank you for caring.   
   >>>>>But you might be doing it the wrong way. You could have refrained from   
   >>>>>announcing that you have noticed "that" and help me let go of   
   >>>>>everything;   
   >>>>>even the distinction between judging and being judgmental.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>haven't I helped you by pointing it out? what more do you need?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>In the right position of mind, all it takes is a mention, bringing the   
   >>>>issue to consciousness,   
   >>>>and the skilled disciple will quickly let go   
   >>>>   
   >>>>did you not use the occasion as an opening for right release?   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>You failed to help me to help Tang.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>I thought Tang was okay at that moment, and that it was you, with your   
   >>false image of the mindless insect, that needed the help.  I think   
   >>you're overly attached to thought.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > Is awakening subjective?   
   >   
      
   I see you have side-stepped the topic, rather than answer my last point.   
     Okay.  Awakening is an objective phenomenon that occurs within the   
   subjective mind.   
      
   Robert   
      
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