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   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   Evelyn wrote:   
      
   >   
   > "Jigme Dorje"  wrote in message   
   > news:59d51da3-79be-47d7-8b97-e8fa9b441383@z28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...   
   >   
   >> On Aug 16, 8:39 pm, niunian  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:08:16 -0500, Keynes    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:53:55 +0000 (UTC), oxtail   
   >>>  >wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> >>halfawake wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> >>> oxtail wrote:   
   >>> >>>> halfawake wrote:   
   >>> >>>>>oxtail wrote:   
   >>> >>>>>>halfawake wrote:   
   >>> >>>>>>>oxtail wrote:   
   >>> >>>>>>>>Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>> >>>>>>>>>tri cycle wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> >>>>>>>>>>just seeing is ok.   
   >>>   
   >>> >>>>>>>>>According to Norbu, just seeing and no judging is the alpha and   
   >>> >>>>>>>>>omega of Buddhism.   
   >>>   
   >>> >>>>>>>>There must be something more in what he meant, unless he was   
   >>> >>>>>>>>trying   
   >>> >>>>>>>>to become an insect.   
   >>>   
   >>> >>>>>>>so you're not really ready to let go of everything? I'll make   
   >>> a >>>>>>>note   
   >>> >>>>>>>of that.   
   >>>   
   >>> >>>>>>Thank you for caring.   
   >>> >>>>>>But you might be doing it the wrong way. You could have   
   >>> refrained >>>>>>from   
   >>> >>>>>>announcing that you have noticed "that" and help me let go of   
   >>> >>>>>>everything;   
   >>> >>>>>>even the distinction between judging and being judgmental.   
   >>>   
   >>> >>>>>haven't I helped you by pointing it out? what more do you need?   
   >>>   
   >>> >>>>>In the right position of mind, all it takes is a mention,   
   >>> bringing >>>>>the   
   >>> >>>>>issue to consciousness,   
   >>> >>>>>and the skilled disciple will quickly let go   
   >>>   
   >>> >>>>>did you not use the occasion as an opening for right release?   
   >>>   
   >>> >>>> You failed to help me to help Tang.   
   >>>   
   >>> >>> I thought Tang was okay at that moment, and that it was you, with   
   >>> >>> your   
   >>> >>> false image of the mindless insect, that needed the help.  I think   
   >>> >>> you're overly attached to thought.   
   >>>   
   >>> >>Is awakening subjective?   
   >>>   
   >>> >Is samsara subjective?   
   >>>   
   >>> Stupid people always ask stupid questions. Samsara is empty. Awakening   
   >>> is perfect, and perfection is never empty. Subjectivity is only about   
   >>> mind vs. matter which is dualistic thinking that has nothing to do   
   >>> with awakening or samsara.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Boy, I'm glad I didn't ask it. You don't cut anybody a break do you?   
   >   
   >   
   > No, he doesn't.    The truth is that there are no stupid questions.   
   > The stupidity is in those who pretend (like Niunion)  to know, and are   
   > afraid to ask questions for fear that they won't look-like they know.   
   >   
   > No person who asks a question is stupid.   That persons mind is open to   
   > learn.  It is only the ones who strut their stuff rudely, pretending to   
   > know, who are really stupid.   
   >   
      
   Well it may occur to one that niunian is stupid, but he does a good job   
   of getting other people riled up, and enjoys it too.  It would be useful   
   to ignore him completely.  He's a troll, and good at it.   
      
   Robert   
      
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