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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   halfawake wrote:   
      
   > oxtail wrote:   
   >> halfawake wrote:   
   >>>oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>>halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>>>oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>tri cycle wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>just seeing is ok.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>According to Norbu, just seeing and no judging is the alpha and   
   >>>>>>>>>omega of Buddhism.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>There must be something more in what he meant, unless he was   
   >>>>>>>>trying to become an insect.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>so you're not really ready to let go of everything? I'll make a   
   >>>>>>>note of that.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Thank you for caring.   
   >>>>>>But you might be doing it the wrong way. You could have refrained   
   >>>>>>from announcing that you have noticed "that" and help me let go of   
   >>>>>>everything;   
   >>>>>>even the distinction between judging and being judgmental.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>haven't I helped you by pointing it out? what more do you need?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>In the right position of mind, all it takes is a mention, bringing   
   >>>>>the issue to consciousness,   
   >>>>>and the skilled disciple will quickly let go   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>did you not use the occasion as an opening for right release?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You failed to help me to help Tang.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>I thought Tang was okay at that moment, and that it was you, with your   
   >>>false image of the mindless insect, that needed the help.  I think   
   >>>you're overly attached to thought.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Is awakening subjective?   
   >>   
   >>   
   > I see you have side-stepped the topic, rather than answer my last point.   
   >   Okay.  Awakening is an objective phenomenon that occurs within the   
   > subjective mind.   
      
      
   That is the original issue.   
   Awakening is neither subjective nor objective.   
   Awakening is neither not subjective nor not objective.   
   Do you know what it is that is attached to thought?   
      
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