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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: niunian@ymail.com   
      
   On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:10:18 -0700 (PDT), zenworm    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Aug 17, 4:47?am, niunian  wrote:   
   >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:16:01 -0700 (PDT), zenworm    
   >> wrote:   
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   >> >On Aug 16, 9:23?pm, Jigme Dorje  wrote:   
   >> >> On Aug 16, 9:20?pm, Keynes  wrote:   
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   >> >> > >On Aug 16, 8:39?pm, niunian  wrote:   
   >> >> > >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:08:16 -0500, Keynes    
   >> >> > >> wrote:   
   >> >> > >> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:53:55 +0000 (UTC), oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >> > >> >> Is awakening subjective?   
   >>   
   >> >> > >> >Is samsara subjective?   
   >>   
   >> >> > >> Stupid people always ask stupid questions. Samsara is empty.   
   Awakening   
   >> >> > >> is perfect, and perfection is never empty. Subjectivity is only   
   about   
   >> >> > >> mind vs. matter which is dualistic thinking that has nothing to do   
   >> >> > >> with awakening or samsara.   
   >>   
   >> >> > Do you realize you are completely contradictory and incoherent?   
   >>   
   >> >> You're only just applauding him for it now?   
   >>   
   >> >Actually this seems coherent.   
   >> >Paraphrasing -   
   >> >Awakening = Awareness/Non-dual/Totality.   
   >> >Samsara = the emptiness (illusionary nature)   
   >> >of the appearances of form.   
   >> >Dualistic thinking, the subjectivity about   
   >> >mind vs matter = the delusional layer of   
   >> >labels and assumption/prejudice/conceptualization   
   >> >that holding to views or beliefs adds on top of the   
   >> >appearances of form. (mental fermentation)   
   >>   
   >> >it is great to see Niunian fielding some content   
   >> >that shows some depth   
   >> >there seems to be a language issue.   
   >> >and a peculiar approach that seems Tao flavored.   
   >> >(understandable since he claims to be Chinese)   
   >> >he also has a "big tree" 'i wanna be the biggest tree   
   >> >in the valley' kind of thing going, which predictably   
   >> >will have him saying: ?"stupid worm has it all wrong."   
   >> >"blah, blah, blah, blah",   
   >> >but this still seems to be insight showing.   
   >> >with some belief and dogmatism mixed in.   
   >>   
   >> >^~   
   >>   
   >> Hm, this stupid worm may not be completely stupid just yet.   
   >>   
   >> It's good you are showing some capacity to learn new things.   
   >>   
   >> :-)   
   >   
   >   
   >This worm is happy you have the courage to teach.   
   >   
   >Would you give some clarification about the term:   
   >wu ming   
   >as relates to awakening or the Dao?   
   >   
   >^~   
      
   I don't understand the question. By "wu ming", do you mean nameless?   
   If it is, what is there to clarify?   
      
   BTW, I'm not teaching anything. I'm only sharing my personal   
   understandings. They are far from being perfect and need constant   
   improvements which is what I'm trying to do by showing them to you. It   
   would be better if you can challenge them and show me your better   
   understandings.   
      
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