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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: niunian@ymail.com   
      
   On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:01:05 +0800, syringe nipples    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 18/08/2010 9:57 PM, oxtail wrote:   
   >> halfawake wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> oxtail wrote:   
   >>>> halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>> oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>> halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>>> oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> halfawake wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> oxtail wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> Tang Huyen wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> tri cycle wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> just seeing is ok.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> According to Norbu, just seeing and no judging is the alpha and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> omega of Buddhism.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> There must be something more in what he meant, unless he was   
   >>>>>>>>>> trying to become an insect.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> so you're not really ready to let go of everything? I'll make a   
   >>>>>>>>> note of that.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Thank you for caring.   
   >>>>>>>> But you might be doing it the wrong way. You could have refrained   
   >>>>>>> >from announcing that you have noticed "that" and help me let go of   
   >>>>>>>> everything;   
   >>>>>>>> even the distinction between judging and being judgmental.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> haven't I helped you by pointing it out? what more do you need?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> In the right position of mind, all it takes is a mention, bringing   
   >>>>>>> the issue to consciousness,   
   >>>>>>> and the skilled disciple will quickly let go   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> did you not use the occasion as an opening for right release?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You failed to help me to help Tang.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> I thought Tang was okay at that moment, and that it was you, with your   
   >>>>> false image of the mindless insect, that needed the help.  I think   
   >>>>> you're overly attached to thought.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Is awakening subjective?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>> I see you have side-stepped the topic, rather than answer my last point.   
   >>>    Okay.  Awakening is an objective phenomenon that occurs within the   
   >>> subjective mind.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> That is the original issue.   
   >> Awakening is neither subjective nor objective.   
   >> Awakening is neither not subjective nor not objective.   
   >> Do you know what it is that is attached to thought?   
   >>   
   >   
   >a mouse in a wheel.   
      
   Exactly. :-)   
      
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