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XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
From: niunian@ymail.com
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:43:15 -0700 (PDT), zenworm
wrote:
>On Aug 18, 4:03?pm, niunian wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:10:18 -0700 (PDT), zenworm
>> wrote:
>>
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>> >On Aug 17, 4:47?am, niunian wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:16:01 -0700 (PDT), zenworm
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Aug 16, 9:23?pm, Jigme Dorje wrote:
>> >> >> On Aug 16, 9:20?pm, Keynes wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > >On Aug 16, 8:39?pm, niunian wrote:
>> >> >> > >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:08:16 -0500, Keynes
>> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:53:55 +0000 (UTC), oxtail
oxt...@nowhere.org> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> Is awakening subjective?
>>
>> >> >> > >> >Is samsara subjective?
>>
>> >> >> > >> Stupid people always ask stupid questions. Samsara is empty.
Awakening
>> >> >> > >> is perfect, and perfection is never empty. Subjectivity is only
about
>> >> >> > >> mind vs. matter which is dualistic thinking that has nothing to
do
>> >> >> > >> with awakening or samsara.
>>
>> >> >> > Do you realize you are completely contradictory and incoherent?
>>
>> >> >> You're only just applauding him for it now?
>>
>> >> >Actually this seems coherent.
>> >> >Paraphrasing -
>> >> >Awakening = Awareness/Non-dual/Totality.
>> >> >Samsara = the emptiness (illusionary nature)
>> >> >of the appearances of form.
>> >> >Dualistic thinking, the subjectivity about
>> >> >mind vs matter = the delusional layer of
>> >> >labels and assumption/prejudice/conceptualization
>> >> >that holding to views or beliefs adds on top of the
>> >> >appearances of form. (mental fermentation)
>>
>> >> >it is great to see Niunian fielding some content
>> >> >that shows some depth
>> >> >there seems to be a language issue.
>> >> >and a peculiar approach that seems Tao flavored.
>> >> >(understandable since he claims to be Chinese)
>> >> >he also has a "big tree" 'i wanna be the biggest tree
>> >> >in the valley' kind of thing going, which predictably
>> >> >will have him saying: ?"stupid worm has it all wrong."
>> >> >"blah, blah, blah, blah",
>> >> >but this still seems to be insight showing.
>> >> >with some belief and dogmatism mixed in.
>>
>> >> >^~
>>
>> >> Hm, this stupid worm may not be completely stupid just yet.
>>
>> >> It's good you are showing some capacity to learn new things.
>>
>> >> :-)
>>
>> >This worm is happy you have the courage to teach.
>>
>> >Would you give some clarification about the term:
>> >wu ming
>> >as relates to awakening or the Dao?
>>
>> >^~
>>
>> I don't understand the question. By "wu ming", do you mean nameless?
>> If it is, what is there to clarify?
>>
>> BTW, I'm not teaching anything. I'm only sharing my personal
>> understandings. They are far from being perfect and need constant
>> improvements which is what I'm trying to do by showing them to you. It
>> would be better if you can challenge them and show me your better
>> understandings.
>
>
>As we have seen with Catawumpus,
>having some success in defending 'a position'
>does not necessarily indicate that 'a position'
>has merit.
>
>As you have the courage to reveal 'your personal
>understandings', so Awareness that affirms
>them, reveals itself in *you*, as *you*.
>Nothing else is needed.
>The Truth, as always, is already *you*.
>Sometimes bumping into these 'other'
>appearances helps us see what we are stuck to,
>or holding onto. In the spirit of self examination,
>this can be helpful if we have the will to look at
>ourselves honestly, and the wisdom to treat
>ourselves with kindness no matter what we find.
>
>Do you have the strength to be kind
>no matter what you find?
>
>This Moment
>
>^~
I'm always kind enough to show your stupid mistakes whenever I can.
What more do you want? To eat you alive? No thanks, I'm not sure I
will enjoy the taste.
Moment is just an illusion. You can never have them.
:-)
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