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   From: niunian@ymail.com   
      
   On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 15:53:09 -0700 (PDT), zenworm    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Aug 18, 6:00?pm, niunian  wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:43:15 -0700 (PDT), zenworm    
   >> wrote:   
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   >> >On Aug 18, 4:03?pm, niunian  wrote:   
   >> >> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 01:10:18 -0700 (PDT), zenworm    
   >> >> wrote:   
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   >> >> >On Aug 17, 4:47?am, niunian  wrote:   
   >> >> >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:16:01 -0700 (PDT), zenworm    
   >> >> >> wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >On Aug 16, 9:23?pm, Jigme Dorje  wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 9:20?pm, Keynes  wrote:   
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   >> >> >> >> > >On Aug 16, 8:39?pm, niunian  wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> > >> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:08:16 -0500, Keynes    
   >> >> >> >> > >> wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> > >> >On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:53:55 +0000 (UTC), oxtail   
    wrote:   
   >> >> >> >> > >> >> Is awakening subjective?   
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   >> >> >> >> > >> >Is samsara subjective?   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >> > >> Stupid people always ask stupid questions. Samsara is empty.   
   Awakening   
   >> >> >> >> > >> is perfect, and perfection is never empty. Subjectivity is   
   only about   
   >> >> >> >> > >> mind vs. matter which is dualistic thinking that has nothing   
   to do   
   >> >> >> >> > >> with awakening or samsara.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >> > Do you realize you are completely contradictory and incoherent?   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >> You're only just applauding him for it now?   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >Actually this seems coherent.   
   >> >> >> >Paraphrasing -   
   >> >> >> >Awakening = Awareness/Non-dual/Totality.   
   >> >> >> >Samsara = the emptiness (illusionary nature)   
   >> >> >> >of the appearances of form.   
   >> >> >> >Dualistic thinking, the subjectivity about   
   >> >> >> >mind vs matter = the delusional layer of   
   >> >> >> >labels and assumption/prejudice/conceptualization   
   >> >> >> >that holding to views or beliefs adds on top of the   
   >> >> >> >appearances of form. (mental fermentation)   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >it is great to see Niunian fielding some content   
   >> >> >> >that shows some depth   
   >> >> >> >there seems to be a language issue.   
   >> >> >> >and a peculiar approach that seems Tao flavored.   
   >> >> >> >(understandable since he claims to be Chinese)   
   >> >> >> >he also has a "big tree" 'i wanna be the biggest tree   
   >> >> >> >in the valley' kind of thing going, which predictably   
   >> >> >> >will have him saying: ?"stupid worm has it all wrong."   
   >> >> >> >"blah, blah, blah, blah",   
   >> >> >> >but this still seems to be insight showing.   
   >> >> >> >with some belief and dogmatism mixed in.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> >^~   
   >>   
   >> >> >> Hm, this stupid worm may not be completely stupid just yet.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> It's good you are showing some capacity to learn new things.   
   >>   
   >> >> >> :-)   
   >>   
   >> >> >This worm is happy you have the courage to teach.   
   >>   
   >> >> >Would you give some clarification about the term:   
   >> >> >wu ming   
   >> >> >as relates to awakening or the Dao?   
   >>   
   >> >> >^~   
   >>   
   >> >> I don't understand the question. By "wu ming", do you mean nameless?   
   >> >> If it is, what is there to clarify?   
   >>   
   >> >> BTW, I'm not teaching anything. I'm only sharing my personal   
   >> >> understandings. They are far from being perfect and need constant   
   >> >> improvements which is what I'm trying to do by showing them to you. It   
   >> >> would be better if you can challenge them and show me your better   
   >> >> understandings.   
   >>   
   >> >As we have seen with Catawumpus,   
   >> >having some success in defending 'a position'   
   >> >does not necessarily indicate that 'a position'   
   >> >has merit.   
   >>   
   >> >As you have the courage to reveal 'your personal   
   >> >understandings', so Awareness that affirms   
   >> >them, reveals itself in *you*, as *you*.   
   >> >Nothing else is needed.   
   >> >The Truth, as always, is already *you*.   
   >> >Sometimes bumping into these 'other'   
   >> >appearances helps us see what we are stuck to,   
   >> >or holding onto. ?In the spirit of self examination,   
   >> >this can be helpful if we have the will to look at   
   >> >ourselves honestly, and the wisdom to treat   
   >> >ourselves with kindness no matter what we find.   
   >>   
   >> >Do you have the strength to be kind   
   >> >no matter what you find?   
   >>   
   >> >This Moment   
   >>   
   >> >^~   
   >>   
   >> I'm always kind enough to show your stupid mistakes whenever I can.   
   >> What more do you want? To eat you alive? No thanks, I'm not sure I   
   >> will enjoy the taste.   
   >>   
   >> Moment is just an illusion. You can never have them.   
   >>   
   >> :-)   
   >   
   >   
   >Ten thousand moments arise in thought,   
   >only This Moment   
   >is always   
   >already   
   >now   
   >   
   >^~   
      
   Nothing but a delusion. You can never stop time, therefore, you can   
   never have this moment of yours.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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