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   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   Catawumpus wrote:   
      
   > oxtail :   
   >   
   >> Your interpretations are reasonable enough in your limited contexts.   
   >   
   >      Not according to you.  You tried every which way you could   
   > think of to deny the Buddha affirms the existence of "the next world" in   
   > the Apannaka Sutta, even though he states "there is actually the next   
   > world," calls that proposition "true dhamma," labels it "right speech,"   
   > etc.  You couldn't have been more wrong.   
   >   
   >      Similarly, the Lotus Sutra pictures the Buddha teaching to   
   > escape both this world -- which he compares with a burning house -- and   
   > rebirth in the next one.  The same theme you tried to remove from the   
   > Apannaka Sutta.   
   >   
   >> But, if you don't mind, I would like to look at them in the broader   
   >> contexts.   
   >   
   >      Your "case by case" approach disappears just as quickly as   
   > Tang's serenity.   
   >   
   >> Isn't it the case that life does not have to be full of suffering   
   >> regardless of whether there is the next world or not?   
   >   
   >      In the Sakalika Sutta the Buddha is said to suffer greatly   
   > even after awakening.  And "in the broader contexts" he teaches escape   
   > from birth and rebirth:  a judgment against life even if there's just   
   > one.   
      
      
   Have you ever suffered for other people?   
      
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   Oxtail is not doing what he thinks he is doing here.   
      
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    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)