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   From: daletx@gnusguy.com   
      
   oxtail wrote:   
   > Catawumpus wrote:   
   >   
   >> oxtail :   
   >>   
   >>> Your interpretations are reasonable enough in your limited contexts.   
   >>   
   >>      Not according to you.  You tried every which way you could   
   >> think of to deny the Buddha affirms the existence of "the next world" in   
   >> the Apannaka Sutta, even though he states "there is actually the next   
   >> world," calls that proposition "true dhamma," labels it "right speech,"   
   >> etc.  You couldn't have been more wrong.   
   >>   
   >>      Similarly, the Lotus Sutra pictures the Buddha teaching to   
   >> escape both this world -- which he compares with a burning house -- and   
   >> rebirth in the next one.  The same theme you tried to remove from the   
   >> Apannaka Sutta.   
   >>   
   >>> But, if you don't mind, I would like to look at them in the broader   
   >>> contexts.   
   >>      Your "case by case" approach disappears just as quickly as   
   >> Tang's serenity.   
   >>   
   >>> Isn't it the case that life does not have to be full of suffering   
   >>> regardless of whether there is the next world or not?   
   >>      In the Sakalika Sutta the Buddha is said to suffer greatly   
   >> even after awakening.  And "in the broader contexts" he teaches escape   
   >> from birth and rebirth:  a judgment against life even if there's just   
   >> one.   
   >   
   >   
   > Have you ever suffered for other people?   
      
   Absolutely!   
      
   Oh, wait...I thought you said "from"...   
      
   DT   
      
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