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   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   Catawumpus wrote:   
      
   > halfawake :   
   >   
   >   
   >>But almost none of them do, as I have said repeatedly.  It doesn't   
   >   
   >   
   >      Wriggling again, little eel?  You denied that arahants are   
   > allowed to kill themselves and claimed they never did (with   
   > one exception due to severe illness), demanding evidence to the   
   > contrary.  O.k.  I've provided it three times over:  an   
   > explanation of the principle ("he may end his life how and when   
   > he will" because his "kamma is no longer operative") along   
   > with two examples:  Kamo no Chomei's assertion that a "pacified   
   > heart" is needed for liberation through suicide and the   
   > self-immolation of the Bodhisattva Sarvasattvapriyadarsana once   
   > he's achieved full consciousness in the Lotus Sutra:  an   
   > action eight Buddhas label "the most sublime worship of the law."   
   >   
   >   
   >>matter if there are one, two or three exceptions - there are hardly any.   
   >   
   >   
   >      Matters a good deal.  You imagined a rule against arahants   
   > killing themselves and insisted there that was only one   
   > particular exception (namely an arahant suffering from a severe   
   > illness).  You were wrong on both counts:  there's no such   
   > rule (arahants are allowed to kill themselvea) and in the Lotus   
   > Sutra the Bodhisattva Sarvasattvapriyadarsana not only   
   > immolates his body but receives praise from the Buddhas for his   
   > "sublime worship of the law."   
   >   
   >   
   >>If life is the main constituent and cause of suffering, why don't many   
   >>others leave early?  You have refused to answer this, because it   
   >   
   >   
   >      Oh, look:  you're lying again.  I've answered twice, maybe   
   > more.  To repeat, arahants stick around in order to teach   
   > others.  Simple and obvious.  You've studied Buddhism for years   
   > w/out learning the basics.   
   >   
   >   
   >>But they generally don't.   
   >   
   >   
   >      But nothing, my wriggling little friend.  According to you   
   > arahants aren't allowed to kill themselves and furthermore   
   > never did (with only a single, specific exception due to severe   
   > illness).  You were mistaken on both counts:  arahants are   
   > permitted to kill themselves -- the ceasing of kamma, "pacified   
   > hearts," etc. -- and in the Lotus Sutra the Bodhisattva   
   > Sarvasattvapriyadarsana not only immolates himself but receives   
   > high praise from the eight Buddhas who call his action "the   
   > most sublime worship of the law."  So you were wrong about both   
   > principle and practice.   
   >   
   > -- Catawumpus   
      
   You're funny, in a pathetic kind of way.  I've moved on to scarcity of   
   suicides a few posts ago, but you're still harping on your victory.   
   Okay, it's allowed but rare.  I also acknowledged the "sticking around   
   to help others" reason for staying in the world, but you snipped it, you   
   little pig!  Ha ha, well keep running around and having fun repeating   
   your scored points over and over again like a parrot. Enjoy.   
      
   Robert   
      
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